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good evening this is Trixie reporting

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exclusively for truth Seekers where we

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use absolutely no gimmicks whatsoever we

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just give you the cold hard facts so

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truth Seekers what I need you to do

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right now is get out your telescopes

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extend them right out because I have an

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exclusive review

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Point those telescopes up to the skies

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and you may see what we have seen

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tonight which is a definite UFO floating

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and if it is that they will grant me

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honor of giving them an exclusive

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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back

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uh we are here tonight for uh the UFO

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report which is something we do uh

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uh from time to time I like to bring in

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other people who are similarly

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interested in uh some would say obsessed

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with

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uh the topic of UFOs and aliens uh Steve

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long has been a guest here before had

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some interesting experiences with black

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triangles and that's what got him stuck

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down the rabbit hole uh still waiting

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for him to arrive

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uh spooky says Rune doesn't look clean

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disappointed well this is something

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called forced perspective you know if

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you just look this way and I keep it

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dark enough in here it's fine do you

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know spooky When I Was A Bachelor I had

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a theory for when girls came over uh

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when I was single and I had a rented a

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house and that was dark equals clean you

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just keep it dark right light some

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scented candles you'll be all right just

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get rid of the big stuff the pizza boxes

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the beer bottles you know that kind of

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stuff no

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um I'm planning on cleaning tonight uh I

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did a little bit in here but

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um

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in my defense what I'm going to say is

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that this room becomes the catch-all for

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everything Dad we got a huge house here

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but anytime any of my stuff is anywhere

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in the rest of the house

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it finds its way in here like you know I

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I don't know how but it doesn't matter

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whatever whatever his mind gets just

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thrown in this room

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so we've got a lovely multitude and mix

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here we've got uh guitar pedals guitars

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uh there's some synthesizers over there

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there's some busted computers that I

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have to fix uh there's some masks

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there's uh electronics parts

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microcontrollers computer parts uh yeah

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it's a it's a mess in here I I need a

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I I don't know what I need but every

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once in a while I get disgusted enough

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and at this point I am disgusted enough

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and I'm cleaning up uh because it's

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reached a level of grime that even I'm

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not comfortable with and again my wife

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does not clean in here this is the only

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room in the house that I have to clean

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and that's why it's a mess

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so uh we were going to be talking

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tonight uh about uh space exposures here

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welcome we're going to be talking

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welcome welcome everybody we're going to

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be talking tonight about some of the

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recent news a lot of you have asked me

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about this UFO report and

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uh what I can tell you is the grift goes

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on because there are all kinds of UFO

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grifters and con artists and scammers

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that are running around telling people

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what's really happening right

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uh I heard various things like uh the

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report wasn't detailed enough so members

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of Congress sent it back and told them

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to be more transparent and write it

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I have heard that

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um it's got National Security

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implications you know like they're

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admitting that aliens are real and that

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we have bodies and crashes and therefore

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it's a national security issue so we

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have to we have to somehow we have to

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redact things that's what the delay is

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you know I think it's just lazy

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government workers did you ever go to

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the post office or the DMV did you have

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a good experience we're talking about

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the same kind of people and sure they

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get told hey you got to write this

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report it's got to be done by this date

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and everybody's losing their minds

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because it's not done yet I predict it's

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going to be another big nothing Burger

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but that won't stop

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the grift Squad from claiming all kinds

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of things and interestingly there has

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been people I say our guest has arrived

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I'm going to buy some something nice for

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Christmas like a watch but no it's okay

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so so I I got you know as far as this

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UFO report I have zero expectations of

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anything good being in it now you're

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talking about the government uh their

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job for the past 70 years have been to

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cover up control the narrative obfuscate

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deny deny deny I have zero confidence

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that they're gonna ever release any

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meaningful information

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and even when it appears that they do

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through back channels like people who

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quit the government uh it turns out that

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the stuff that these people release are

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big nothing Burgers I'm convinced that

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there's some kind of op going on to just

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get defense funding and and money it's

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big it's a big club and I ain't in it

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though who knows what happens with this

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UFO report but all these people I mean

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my only interest in it was I could get a

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show out of it like we could read it

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talk about it you know so but life goes

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on I'm certain there's more important

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things in the world than than this stuff

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for sure there's Wars raging right now

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people are starving the economy's in the

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in the toilet right now gas is you know

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six dollars a gallon or soon will be and

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by the way that

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that whole crypto crash is going to

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affect us terribly too so there's more

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important things uh but I I'm not sure

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where the report is I'm not sure when

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it'll be released but now the grifter

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con Squad are running around saying

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different dates it's going to be

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released and why but people have proven

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by actually talking to members of

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Congress that no no report has been

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given to them yet there's no classified

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report there's a lot of disinformation

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going around

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and joining us to talk about this today

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uh we have our special guests here Steve

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long who is one of the most requested

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guests uh for return so this will be his

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second time around poor him he's stuck

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hey how's it going Steve thanks for

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having me tonight man yeah yeah I was

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saying you're one of the most requested

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guests that people wanted to come back

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so you must have said some good things

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last time

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and by the way I want nice to hear Matt

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it's always a pleasure to be here I uh I

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had a great time last time

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I'm going to put a link to your first

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interview here with us in the

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description of the video I haven't done

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that yet but I will so that'll be in the

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description of the video have you been

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following this UFO report thing do you

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even care that it's not released yet do

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you think it's going to be soon what

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what's the scoop on that

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well certainly the report uh will be

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coming out

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I'm less surprised I guess that it

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didn't uh come out on time

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uh that uh

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that I am that there's really been a

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real uh there's no been been no change

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of protocol for then you know weeks

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telling us that this thing was coming

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out it was coming out on a certain day

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it's coming out at the end of the week

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it contained this this was what was

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going on behind the scenes with it you

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know all backed up by claims of

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um sources which cannot be named I

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Anonymous those damn Anonymous sources

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uh right and uh the same Anonymous uh

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sources that uh have been you know wrong

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so many times once again apparently have

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uh been a letdown and still the ball

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just gets pushed a little further uh

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back and the game's still on the sources

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are still going to be talked about and

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uh it's just amazing because you think

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that uh and certainly for some people

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there is they see the repetition they

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see the uh cycles and red flags come up

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but you know overall as a whole and it's

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uh on the part of uh who we're doing

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that for the last few weeks uh and

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continue to always claim sources that

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are giving them such reliable

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information that turns out to not be so

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reliable quite often again I know it's

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amazing did you know I didn't know this

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somebody else covered it there's uh I

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don't know if you know him C.W Chandler

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is a great is a great sort of skeptical

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guy he went after so many different

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people like David Wilcox and Corey good

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for and anyway he uh he just covered

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today that Linda Moulton Howe is going

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to be at portals of Ascension in April

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and she's saying that her Anonymous

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sources are telling us that right around

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the time of the of the convention that

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the government is going to release

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absolute proof of like uh

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life on other planets so you gotta go to

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the conference so that you can be with

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the good people that we're saying this

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all along and and but it's one of those

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things like what is our source for this

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an anonymous source that uh she won't

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name nobody can question it's just trust

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me dude they're going to tell us some

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stuff right before the conference so buy

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your tickets now

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and if enough people show up at the

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conference Steve long she's going to

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sign autographs

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that's what she said well I would

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certainly

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be exciting and Linda Moulton Hal's been

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pulling this for a long time I was just

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listening to um an art bell podcast with

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her from 1997. yeah and uh she was

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talking about the Arts Parts and uh the

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big the big reveal was coming up where

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she was going to talk about you know the

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qualities of it and how confounding it

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was and uh now today of course to see

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where that has ended up it's just a

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perfect a picture I think of of this

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topic again the game keeps going it

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doesn't matter what the facts are right

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matter

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this is how we say it here the grift

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goes on but she got something like

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thirty thousand dollars for those metal

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fragments and did you know because I

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talked to him uh way back in the day the

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first scientist that she hired to do the

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materials analysis he he did the

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materials analysis Material Science

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specialist like he was an engineer this

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guy was really qualified so he puts it

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through Mass spectrometer which is what

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you do when you want to identify

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elements and you know and he checks all

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the isotopic ratios because metal from

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another star system would be different

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in isotopic ratio and you know it's

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normal Earthly materials so he sends her

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back the report that it's just normal

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Earthly materials it's like zinc

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magnesium aluminum whatever it was and

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then she comes back to him and says well

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can you reproduce it and he says yeah

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this is like a this looks appears to me

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to be a manufacturing byproduct like of

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a smelting operation or something so he

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makes something that's close and sends

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it back to her she fired him and then

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she got a new guy that would say it was

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something spectacular

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foreign

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you know again reminiscent of

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um

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the ball that Ross colfar has been

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pushing with Gary Nolan yeah

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Ross's balls and isn't it great that

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they promised us that they had proof

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definitive proof of alien technology and

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then

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I went to Gary Nolan I got blocked for

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asking this question I went to Gary

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Nolan and I said in the piece you guys

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promised definitive proof of alien

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technology are you going to release the

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report like of of the materials and then

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he said I didn't start the analysis yet

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so I'm thinking like well how the hell

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are you guys promising you didn't start

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the announcement

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it's just so ridiculous and I find

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myself laughing about some of this stuff

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Steve long because I'm I'm stuck here

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now you know like we're too deep in the

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rabbit hole to just jump out and say

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it's all [\h__\h] because there are some

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good

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evidence in cases but these grifters are

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just running through here like it's just

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no it's it's the truth and it's a shame

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um because

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from day to day it's just distraction

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and um you know I really enjoyed the um

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spooky Speaks video that you played a

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couple of nights ago at the beginning of

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one of your shows yeah and uh towards

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the end of it he kind of notes that you

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know the the constant

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that's always there and the facts that

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are always incomplete inconsistent and

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keep us kind of chasing the whole time

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not really doing anything else and maybe

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that's the point you know or maybe

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that's one of the points uh we're not

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you know out there where's all the

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reports about what civilians are seeing

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these days you know where's uh the

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numbers on that and certainly that kind

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of work is being done it's just not

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really getting the play and people want

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the things that are very um sexy and

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promise to have the answers coming very

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soon from yeah you know people you're

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absolutely right too on speaky's piece I

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got more email I'm kind of like pissed

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off though because I have done a whole

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like a hundred different videos that we

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included nobody really emails me

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Spooky's piece goes in and I got all

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these emails to say I feel exactly the

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same way because aren't we all that kid

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that watched X-Files and that you know

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grew up with some of this stuff and

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wanted to believe that there was

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something to it

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oh you're muted

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there you go

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pardon me I think I think I'm lagging am

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I Steve you were a little bit but it

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okay it is disappointing and uh I'm sure

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when Linda Bolton's house uh convention

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comes around it'll be much more the same

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and it's really impressive on some

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levels that these people can continue to

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make uh careers out of this decade after

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decade despite

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um you know very solid evidence uh

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coming against them time and time again

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despite them being very wrong time and

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time again and uh not even really taking

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accountability for that or being

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transparent about that

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um it's very impressive and when you

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throw in the fact that also on top of

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that they've done the same thing uh to

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produce government contracts

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acts in the same manner uh it's just

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mind-boggling uh and it's

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uh there's just so much to it that it's

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almost it it sounds like a conspiracy

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theory often you know and and uh that

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could be the low-hanging fruit but these

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things are certainly evidenced and

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they're evidenced much more than the

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narratives that these people are often

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feeding us and I just always find it so

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particular that the very people who were

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operating and working at the highest

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levels of things like

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Blazers and plasma Technologies and uh

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the highest levels of defense and the

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latest tech uh are telling us that these

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things are anything but that uh and it

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just seems so so coincidence

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that'll uh

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yeah and I I wonder did you see this

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James Fox latest money grab I mean uh

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documentary because this is another

404
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perfect example of an old story that

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gets recycled and he's likely going to

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make a million dollars or more on that

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documentary and uh he got five new

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Anonymous sources that's what he's done

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for the past 26 years like the whole

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story is the same story from 26 years

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ago but he's got five new Anonymous

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sources that nobody else can interview

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nobody else can you know research they

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are who they say they are and I I found

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myself thinking like first of all I want

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my money back for this because I heard

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this story in 1996

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and second of all it's it's I just can't

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believe that people can do that and get

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away with it and then people will argue

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with me that he's a great researcher in

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26 years you couldn't find any on the

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record sources you had to go to Five

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Anonymous sources and the witnesses made

425
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very conflicting statements from their

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original story now the story has changed

427
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somewhat and I I don't understand why

428
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yeah again like that's one of the

429
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cornerstones of these stories the

430
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constantly evolving narrative that

431
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changes from year to year decade to

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decade and from these very Witnesses you

433
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know and um again despite that the ball

434
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just keeps rolling and I think a lot of

435
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that has to do with the fact that most

436
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of the people that are getting the

437
00:23:33,289 --> 00:23:31,679
message haven't been here in years

438
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before and it's new to them and haven't

439
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recognized the cycles and they haven't

440
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recognized the fact that these people

441
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are being inconsistent in the things

442
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that they say and uh

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obviously the response at the people who

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are publishing this and who are making

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the money off of it and writing the

446
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books and the documentaries uh and

447
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despite how many uh issues there may be

448
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with the latest James Fox documentary

449
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and the things that are leveled at him

450
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as far as inconsistency and things that

451
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:03,659
are presented out of context or that are

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false we'll get no answer on those with

453
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,100
this but there'll be another one coming

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out soon

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00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:12,840
he's working on his next one already

456
00:24:18,649 --> 00:24:15,179
yeah he's working on his next one

457
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:18,659
already which is crazy right it's very

458
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um very gross changes and even just

459
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thinking about the Pascagoula case you

460
00:24:28,909 --> 00:24:26,159
know uh Calvin Parker

461
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:28,919
today if you listen to him he remembers

462
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everything that happened and he

463
00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:32,340
remembers it consciously but if you go

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back to the facts of the case the actual

465
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:36,360
reports he claims that he passed out

466
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essentially before anything happened and

467
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then came to after it was all done

468
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um today he has built entire stories uh

469
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and narratives that he fills podcasts

470
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and multiple books with uh and even goes

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on to claim later abductions and that he

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had an implant and uh

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oh he got UFOs

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uh the Nimitz now has a triangle

475
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involved I mean these things just

476
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continue to grow outside of their

477
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initial scope without any question yeah

478
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did you know I have this I always say

479
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this that people suffer from UFO disease

480
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so that's what happened to that guy and

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UFO disease is when you start making a

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living off of this off of your initial

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story

484
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forever so most of these people we see

485
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it they start to invent new parts of the

486
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story they tack things on I've seen it

487
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with rendelshim the original story there

488
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was nothing about all this binary

489
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message or any of that that was an

490
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add-on later and it just they keep

491
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adding on or expanding the story Robert

492
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Dean is one of those guys he's first he

493
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came out with a very believable story

494
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that he saw some documents through his

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work with NATO when he was in the

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military and it was a very believable

497
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story and then he started talking about

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alien his alien experiences and he's

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telepathically communicating he's

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getting downloads and this is a guy who

501
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,440
worked UFO conferences for 20 plus years

502
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so the initial story only took him

503
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:14,159
through the first few years he needed

504
00:26:18,850 --> 00:26:15,960
new material I guess that's what

505
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yeah and that's the thing right to get

506
00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:24,480
to get media you have to you have to

507
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create new things

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yeah and this is uh Philip mantle I

509
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think has a book or a documentary coming

510
00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:33,140
out about the about this case

511
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Pascagoula for those unaware these

512
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strange creatures landed and

513
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yeah I mean allegedly and uh Philip

514
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mantle is at another uh another book

515
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actually two out with uh Calvin Parker

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uh just in the last few years

517
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um essentially you know claims to kind

518
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of tracking him down and getting him to

519
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,460
finally speak out because he um did not

520
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,919
want to for so long and even that isn't

521
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true if you look at the facts back in

522
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,360
1993 you know during the 20th

523
00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:08,640
anniversary of this case you know Calvin

524
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:16,610
uh that year uh he started doing you

525
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:19,380
know public speaking uh interviews I

526
00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:20,760
think the company was called UFO

527
00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:23,220
investigations uh and he was going to

528
00:27:26,930 --> 00:27:24,900
essentially you know investigate UFOs

529
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:26,940
and try and build a show around that uh

530
00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:29,700
even back then in 1993 uh and produced

531
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:31,559
you know TV stories about abduction

532
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:33,900
claims now it also just happens to be

533
00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:36,480
that he claims that he was abducted in

534
00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:39,059
1993 as well for a second time where

535
00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:41,580
they removed uh the implant again like

536
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:45,960
he had to have new stories for his

537
00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:49,440
new for foray into the topic in order to

538
00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:52,620
sell tickets and uh create interest uh

539
00:27:55,789 --> 00:27:54,059
he couldn't just pump the same old story

540
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:55,799
that Charles Hickson had been on every

541
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,320
show in America and every uh Radio Show

542
00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:01,200
in America pumping for 20 years uh so

543
00:28:06,649 --> 00:28:03,480
you know new things had to be added then

544
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,659
and uh very quickly that wasn't much

545
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:08,159
success and not much money was made and

546
00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:10,440
he kind of went on his way and then came

547
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,640
back again

548
00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:13,440
um you know when Philip mantle uh Came

549
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:15,900
Calling to you know write a book

550
00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:17,940
um and Charles Hickson uh the same thing

551
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:20,400
he's dead now but for years his story

552
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:23,880
continued to evolve and uh change to

553
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:26,880
include more abductions and even to uh

554
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,340
claim that like many abductees that he

555
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:31,679
was a messenger and was supposed to be

556
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:33,539
bringing a

557
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,820
a very important message for the

558
00:28:40,210 --> 00:28:37,679
Salvation of humanity

559
00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:40,220
um you know there's just um

560
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,380
Cycles man the Cycles repeat so often I

561
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,880
was trying to find the name of them we

562
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,279
covered this one guy here before who is

563
00:28:51,289 --> 00:28:48,960
my favorite that suffers from that

564
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:51,299
disease he's a guy I can't remember his

565
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:52,740
name if somebody knows in the live chat

566
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:54,539
remind me he was living with David

567
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,340
Wilcock for a while and he had

568
00:29:02,630 --> 00:28:59,520
near-death experiences and the first one

569
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:02,640
he claimed uh the first one he just

570
00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:05,640
claimed that he woke up in the hospital

571
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,760
morgue with a toe tag on that all the

572
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:10,559
doctors thought he was dead and he had

573
00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:13,320
this near-death experience and then you

574
00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:15,539
know later we investigate and we find

575
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:17,820
out that all the doctors are like that

576
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:19,620
never happened he never went to the

577
00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:22,260
morgue he wasn't even he might have been

578
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:24,899
unconscious but we did you know so even

579
00:29:30,289 --> 00:29:27,440
his initial story was fake but then

580
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:30,299
every time he needed money he wrote

581
00:29:35,470 --> 00:29:32,580
another book and had another near-death

582
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:35,480
experiences and this guy died four times

583
00:29:39,889 --> 00:29:38,340
and the first time he's talking to God

584
00:29:42,350 --> 00:29:39,899
and the second time he's talking to

585
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:42,360
angels and demons and the third time it

586
00:29:48,889 --> 00:29:45,919
was like interdimensional aliens

587
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:48,899
I just I just You Gotta Laugh at some of

588
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:50,520
these people and but people buy it

589
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,529
it does and ultimately because usually

590
00:30:02,090 --> 00:29:59,039
the people that are interested in it

591
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,100
have some type of pre-existing exposure

592
00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:03,840
that left them

593
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:06,419
um open to being you know

594
00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:09,539
um accepting of that or

595
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:11,640
um more more open than the average

596
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:13,740
person at least

597
00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:17,520
um and certainly

598
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:20,820
and that that belief can run a span of

599
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:24,000
how strong it is but Daniel Brinkley was

600
00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:28,020
his name thank you uh and and edine

601
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:30,360
thank you very much yes we covered him

602
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,100
before and we covered we like played

603
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,320
videos of the doctor saying it was never

604
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,960
in a morgue he never had a toe tag on I

605
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:38,640
don't know where he got that

606
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,200
it's pretty funny but what do you think

607
00:30:45,889 --> 00:30:43,440
of this case in particular because I

608
00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:45,899
seem to think that maybe some of these

609
00:30:51,529 --> 00:30:49,740
people do have genuine real experiences

610
00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:51,539
but then when they try to make a living

611
00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:53,100
out of it that's when they start

612
00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:55,559
inventing things so maybe his initial

613
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:58,020
experience was real and genuine and then

614
00:31:02,450 --> 00:31:00,120
he started embellishing and tacking

615
00:31:06,590 --> 00:31:02,460
things on and having new experiences

616
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,230
I mean

617
00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:12,470
the speculation really and a lot of

618
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:14,520
times you know I I hear all we can do is

619
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:17,580
uh speculate and and personally you know

620
00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:19,320
I try and come from the other end I try

621
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:21,240
and speculate as little as possible but

622
00:31:24,169 --> 00:31:22,559
unfortunately

623
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:24,179
um these stories are

624
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:28,080
just just bound uh with holes and with

625
00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:29,640
room

626
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,419
that uh nothing is verified so there are

627
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:35,580
lots of possibilities

628
00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:37,320
um so certainly we could speculate and I

629
00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:40,140
guess personally I think that Calvin if

630
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,820
I if I'm looking objectively just my

631
00:31:47,389 --> 00:31:44,399
opinion I think that he probably thought

632
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:47,399
that he had a real experience that day

633
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:49,500
um I don't think that I would say the

634
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,740
same thing for Charles Hixson personally

635
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:55,440
um but I I think that he thinks that you

636
00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:57,000
know something happened that day but

637
00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:58,919
certainly the additions that came along

638
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,260
through the years that were strictly

639
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,840
done in conjunction with chasing

640
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,240
monetary returns I think speak for

641
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:08,700
themselves you know

642
00:32:15,409 --> 00:32:10,200
um

643
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:15,419
Charles Hixson and uh you know if you

644
00:32:19,549 --> 00:32:17,580
want to get into this story

645
00:32:21,289 --> 00:32:19,559
I don't know how many people are really

646
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:21,299
familiar with it it was at one time a

647
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:23,520
very well known uh and maybe one of the

648
00:32:27,409 --> 00:32:25,380
most popular and famous stories of its

649
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,419
time at least

650
00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:28,880
um

651
00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:31,140
immediately actually in fact the very

652
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,960
next day uh both harder and Alan heineck

653
00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:36,000
were both on the scene and the media was

654
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:37,500
already talking about it in papers

655
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:40,320
Across the Nation uh the national story

656
00:32:48,169 --> 00:32:44,159
yeah yeah very a very big deal

657
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:48,179
um but it's funny the newspaper was

658
00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:49,320
close

659
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:51,299
most of the time but the actual

660
00:32:56,090 --> 00:32:53,820
newspaper first before they went before

661
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,100
they went anywhere uh they were closed

662
00:32:58,970 --> 00:32:57,840
so they then moved on to the Sheriff's

663
00:33:00,529 --> 00:32:58,980
Station

664
00:33:01,850 --> 00:33:00,539
um but I always found that you know kind

665
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,860
of interesting and in fact that the

666
00:33:05,810 --> 00:33:03,120
media would even know about the story

667
00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:05,820
the very next day if allegedly these

668
00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:07,620
guys didn't want to tell anybody that

669
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:08,520
you know

670
00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:10,679
Calvin Parker says that to this day and

671
00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:12,539
in fact he attributes the media finding

672
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:15,299
out about it the next day to um them

673
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:18,720
listening to police radio scanners the

674
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,600
night before and picking

675
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,000
picking up on this stuff and then um

676
00:33:28,009 --> 00:33:25,919
um it appears more that Charles Hickson

677
00:33:33,070 --> 00:33:28,019
from the start uh chased the media down

678
00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:35,630
it was me but the one piece of evidence

679
00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:37,500
that I always found compelling in this

680
00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:39,059
case is that they were getting

681
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:40,860
interviewed by police and the police

682
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:42,659
recorded it I don't know that they know

683
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:45,000
they were being recorded and then the

684
00:33:49,009 --> 00:33:46,980
police officers got up and left the room

685
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,019
and these two guys who had just been

686
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:50,960
through this horrific according to them

687
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:54,059
alien abduction experience continued to

688
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:54,960
talk

689
00:34:00,110 --> 00:33:57,419
without being observed or listened to

690
00:34:03,409 --> 00:34:00,120
and they were still on that that it

691
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,419
really happened and you know so that was

692
00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:05,279
compelling to me because I would think

693
00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:08,520
maybe if they were trying to you know uh

694
00:34:13,609 --> 00:34:10,859
perpetrate a hoax when people got up and

695
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,619
left the room they would you know

696
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:15,839
sort of uh talk shop like what did we

697
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:18,720
tell them next or you know they were

698
00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:20,760
consistent even when being not being

699
00:34:26,770 --> 00:34:23,099
observed or listened to talking about

700
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,169
no that is certainly uh interesting uh

701
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:31,919
and again that you know they claim they

702
00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:33,359
they did not know that they were being

703
00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:35,339
recorded

704
00:34:41,629 --> 00:34:38,940
um and uh again if we take into the

705
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:41,639
account that perhaps

706
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:44,940
perhaps Hixson knew what happened uh and

707
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:45,899
and

708
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:48,599
Calvin Parker did not uh that kind of

709
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:50,220
goes in line with again the police the

710
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:51,720
police tapes and if you listen to the

711
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:54,060
tapes uh it seems that they were

712
00:34:58,609 --> 00:34:57,599
engaging in substance abuse and

713
00:35:00,109 --> 00:34:58,619
um

714
00:35:01,250 --> 00:35:00,119
I just want to be very clear you know

715
00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:01,260
I'm not making any type of personal

716
00:35:06,109 --> 00:35:03,660
judgments against uh anybody I'm just

717
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:06,119
looking at the very diplomatic of you

718
00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:09,240
yes very diplomatic of you well it seems

719
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,460
to me that if you've ever had a

720
00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:13,920
hallucinogenic experience like DMT

721
00:35:20,569 --> 00:35:17,640
mushrooms LSD I think it would be very

722
00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:20,579
easy to do those sorts of things and

723
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:23,160
then have what you believe is some sort

724
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:26,940
of alien experience you know

725
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,130
yeah certainly and if you listen to uh

726
00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:36,480
the police tapes it

727
00:35:40,849 --> 00:35:38,579
Calvin Parker and he says it many times

728
00:35:42,530 --> 00:35:40,859
in interviews afterwards he says that

729
00:35:44,089 --> 00:35:42,540
you know at the time he was barely 19

730
00:35:47,210 --> 00:35:44,099
years old that was in fact his very

731
00:35:49,310 --> 00:35:47,220
first day on the job uh he was at the

732
00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:49,320
time living with the family friend

733
00:35:53,329 --> 00:35:51,540
Charles Hixson uh who was many years

734
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:53,339
older than him he was his father's age

735
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,040
and this was just a 19 year old kid uh

736
00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:58,079
who was living at hixson's kind of you

737
00:36:01,970 --> 00:36:00,359
know run-down apartment uh and if you

738
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:01,980
hear on the tape

739
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,640
um you even hear Calvin Parker said

740
00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:07,680
today you know

741
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:09,060
um he's like you know Charlie let's get

742
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,320
out of here man let's like you know

743
00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:12,240
these people don't believe us and and

744
00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:14,040
Hixson was very calm and collected in

745
00:36:18,349 --> 00:36:16,020
fact whereas Parker was very concerned

746
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:18,359
and very flustered uh and Hixson was

747
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:19,800
just kind of calming him down and saying

748
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,180
look you know we're almost done just get

749
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:23,040
through this in fact you know and he

750
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:25,260
says he says you know I I get you

751
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:26,460
something when we get back to the house

752
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:27,839
I'll get you something to get calmed

753
00:36:32,170 --> 00:36:29,640
down I'll give you anything you want

754
00:36:34,849 --> 00:36:32,180
again

755
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,859
it was the 70s right I'm gonna give you

756
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,680
some Quaaludes relax

757
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,839
but isn't it interesting right and it's

758
00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:41,280
one funny

759
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:43,619
real quick one thing that uh Calvin

760
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:45,780
Parker repeats a couple times to Charlie

761
00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:47,820
on that tape when they're in the police

762
00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:49,560
station and allegedly don't know they're

763
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:52,200
being uh taped is that he stresses a

764
00:36:54,829 --> 00:36:53,640
couple times to Charlie because it seems

765
00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:54,839
like he's afraid that they're going to

766
00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:56,040
be in trouble for making this report

767
00:36:59,630 --> 00:36:58,140
that no one's gonna believe them and he

768
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,640
makes the remark a couple times to

769
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,920
Charlie like Charlie you know I passed

770
00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:03,599
out you know I you know I never drink

771
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,300
and I almost get the impression that uh

772
00:37:11,150 --> 00:37:08,640
he was drinking there or maybe drank

773
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,160
something or took something smoked

774
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,960
something he was really seeming to

775
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:14,640
relate the fact that he was not a

776
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:18,180
substance user uh and I I just find that

777
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:19,619
very odd that he would repeat that a

778
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:21,480
couple times it's almost telling as to

779
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:23,700
what possibly

780
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:25,980
he was going on there while they were

781
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,440
fishing allegedly and I'm sure they

782
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:31,200
probably were after work you know

783
00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:33,420
um yeah very uh just again very

784
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:35,820
interesting part of this case too is

785
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:38,960
that these aliens are not your typical

786
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:44,040
alien gray or reptile they're unique we

787
00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:45,540
have not seen

788
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:48,119
and interestingly the other grifters

789
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,520
never seem to grab onto them because you

790
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:53,040
know grifters will grab onto a part of

791
00:37:57,310 --> 00:37:54,720
somebody else's story and say like oh

792
00:38:01,010 --> 00:37:57,320
yeah I met those nobody has ever really

793
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:01,020
explained these particular very strange

794
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:03,240
humanoid aliens where they came from

795
00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:05,640
what are they doing here and they're

796
00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:08,460
different distinctly from the normal you

797
00:38:11,569 --> 00:38:09,300
know

798
00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:11,579
Little Green Men let's say gray men

799
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,020
whatever

800
00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:15,359
very different

801
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,660
you know and they are just

802
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:20,640
yeah and they are just very uh strange

803
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:23,220
looking unlike any thing that really was

804
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:24,839
reported you get a lot of crazy looking

805
00:38:30,589 --> 00:38:27,119
uh beings being reported in the 50s and

806
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:30,599
60s uh this is certainly uh different in

807
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:32,520
in many ways than most things that you

808
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,380
would find and it's funny because it has

809
00:38:39,730 --> 00:38:36,240
a kind of like a

810
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:39,740
Goodyear Tire Guy

811
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:44,460
scrunched up lots of extra skin three

812
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,510
right with crab claws and uh they float

813
00:38:57,230 --> 00:38:55,680
they don't walk and it just again this

814
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:57,240
was all stuff that was alleged by

815
00:39:02,690 --> 00:39:00,420
Charles Hixson initially for 20 years

816
00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:02,700
Calvin Parker claims he did not see

817
00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:04,380
these he was passed out the entire time

818
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:06,300
these come from Charles Hixson and

819
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:07,800
certainly just seems to me to be

820
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:10,020
something that's like almost you know

821
00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:11,700
made up

822
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,520
of a guy that's like his age of the 40s

823
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:16,800
and 50s and like this is the alien that

824
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:19,020
he would describe just as wacky as you

825
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:21,180
could maybe imagine it looks it looks

826
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:24,420
like it looks like some of the 1950s

827
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:27,660
science fiction aliens they always had

828
00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:29,880
something to do with their hands being

829
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:34,260
claws or and yeah it looks very 50s

830
00:39:39,470 --> 00:39:38,040
science fiction to me which I you know I

831
00:39:42,290 --> 00:39:39,480
don't know what a real alien looks like

832
00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:42,300
though you know

833
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:43,859
and isn't it interesting some people

834
00:39:47,690 --> 00:39:45,480
will take well people see the same

835
00:39:50,030 --> 00:39:47,700
aliens so that must be mean they're real

836
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:50,040
nobody else has ever seen these aliens

837
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:52,200
does that mean these aliens are fake you

838
00:39:55,849 --> 00:39:53,220
know

839
00:39:58,250 --> 00:39:55,859
but the financial thing is troubling for

840
00:40:01,010 --> 00:39:58,260
me every time I see somebody that cashes

841
00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:01,020
in on the story I'm just less likely to

842
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:03,240
believe that their story is true

843
00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:05,579
you know Walton has made a career out of

844
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:08,820
that experience that he had and

845
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,940
I I don't I I just kind of think like

846
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:13,680
how long are you gonna milk this you

847
00:40:18,829 --> 00:40:15,900
know he's been at it for decades

848
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,839
and apparently this one of the two of

849
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:21,119
these gentlemen has been trying to cash

850
00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:24,720
in for decades on this right

851
00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:27,720
yeah I mean I would

852
00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:30,300
wager than many of the few of them have

853
00:40:33,970 --> 00:40:33,300
three of them have in various ways

854
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:33,980
um

855
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:36,900
and I imagine that

856
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:39,780
you know again I I think that that

857
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,180
I don't think that he was uh abducted

858
00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:44,160
that day personally and I think that it

859
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:46,260
was a hoax and I would imagine that

860
00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:47,520
there's probably all kinds of things

861
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,579
that led to that initially being hidden

862
00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:52,880
you know including probably not not

863
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,520
wanting to uh bring family members into

864
00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:58,800
shame and maybe legal trouble and just

865
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,900
all kinds of things

866
00:41:06,109 --> 00:41:02,640
um but when you talk about still doing

867
00:41:08,329 --> 00:41:06,119
it now 50 years later and not really for

868
00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:08,339
an incredible sum of money but again

869
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:10,260
even if it just is paying the rent and

870
00:41:14,270 --> 00:41:12,599
Travis is very clear about the fact that

871
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:14,280
he bought his house you know with his

872
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:15,720
move

873
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,579
would be money it paid for his house um

874
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:19,440
that he currently lives in

875
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:22,020
um I I would imagine that if there was

876
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:24,660
if the money was good enough that he

877
00:41:28,609 --> 00:41:27,000
would probably come clean I feel like to

878
00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:28,619
be honest with you

879
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:30,780
um but he probably just doesn't I mean

880
00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:32,040
as far as I'm concerned he doesn't have

881
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:34,500
any reason to do so without a clear-cut

882
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,660
financial benefit because although he

883
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:39,359
might not be making much money now he's

884
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:41,820
making some you know he has a life and a

885
00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:43,320
reputation doing what he does and

886
00:41:46,849 --> 00:41:45,540
there's always potential for more things

887
00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:46,859
in the future and he would have to be

888
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,800
giving all of that up to do that

889
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:52,560
um along with having to admit that you

890
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:55,020
know he lied for 50 years and you know

891
00:41:59,690 --> 00:41:57,420
live yeah and I I'm aware that they were

892
00:42:01,730 --> 00:41:59,700
abducted you know I'm aware of at least

893
00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:01,740
one conference organizer who was honest

894
00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:04,980
with me once I said uh what is what is

895
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:08,040
like a like a Travis Walton get to do in

896
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:10,020
our talk at one of your events and he

897
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,079
said 2500 to 5 000 dollars

898
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:15,359
that's pretty good money to go you know

899
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:17,160
I mean of course you gotta fly there and

900
00:42:22,010 --> 00:42:19,500
whatever so I I wouldn't do it but some

901
00:42:24,589 --> 00:42:22,020
guys you know it beats logging for a

902
00:42:26,510 --> 00:42:24,599
living or doing physical labor or you

903
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:26,520
know Construction

904
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:29,760
and the and you know generally the

905
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,980
airfare and the hotel room like these

906
00:42:35,390 --> 00:42:33,599
things are included you know yeah

907
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:35,400
usually pay them that yeah usually a

908
00:42:39,410 --> 00:42:37,800
meal is included

909
00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:39,420
each day

910
00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:42,180
yeah I'm again you don't have to make a

911
00:42:46,609 --> 00:42:43,320
million dollars

912
00:42:49,069 --> 00:42:46,619
um to have a financial motive you know

913
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,079
um forget about singing for your supper

914
00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:51,920
just tell alien stories and you you get

915
00:43:00,170 --> 00:42:57,060
meals and and uh airfare right yeah and

916
00:43:02,270 --> 00:43:00,180
I mean not only not only that uh if we

917
00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:02,280
look at the recent reporting that's come

918
00:43:07,490 --> 00:43:04,619
out from Jack Brewer and Erica Lukes and

919
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:07,500
Gary Barry Greenwood with expanding

920
00:43:12,609 --> 00:43:09,420
Frontiers research yeah you get

921
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:12,619
Consulting fees now

922
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,240
what is that about explain it to me so

923
00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:18,240
the the cast members of Skinwalker

924
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:20,819
started some kind of economic consulting

925
00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:22,140
firm

926
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,180
or something like that and they're

927
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:30,000
taking money from the city that the

928
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,040
Skinwalker Ranch is in

929
00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:34,800
and for for what are they supposed to do

930
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:36,180
for that money because it was like a

931
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:37,800
hundred and fifty thousand dollars total

932
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:39,300
right

933
00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:42,060
yes yeah I I forget the exact figure but

934
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:43,800
that's I

935
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:46,380
I mean yeah that's about there

936
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:49,680
that's uh that's one thing and you know

937
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:51,720
they were also uh talking about the

938
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:53,700
Vernal convention there and we were just

939
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:55,260
talking about speaker fees with Travis

940
00:43:57,950 --> 00:43:56,640
Walton you know and some of those

941
00:44:00,170 --> 00:43:57,960
speakers were getting much more than

942
00:44:02,450 --> 00:44:00,180
that you know easily double or even four

943
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:02,460
times that amount you know five to ten

944
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:03,960
thousand dollars

945
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,060
um some of these yeah I know Corey good

946
00:44:10,609 --> 00:44:08,160
and Corey good and David Wilcox were

947
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,619
getting 10 to 20 for one talk

948
00:44:14,450 --> 00:44:12,480
at a conference or something like that

949
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:14,460
ten to twenty thousand dollars

950
00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:18,180
amazing that's yeah that's wild but back

951
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:19,980
to this consulting firm so they get paid

952
00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:23,880
by the taxpayers to do what exactly

953
00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:27,720
Economic Development Consulting

954
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:29,640
well and again I'm not researching this

955
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:31,740
myself but from reading the Articles and

956
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,780
watching the inner

957
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:36,480
interviews um with uh one of the um

958
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,780
focus uh members being focused on and uh

959
00:44:43,970 --> 00:44:42,000
one of the business partners of Brandon

960
00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:43,980
fugle and an employee at Skinwalker

961
00:44:49,609 --> 00:44:46,980
Ranch uh yes essentially uh they

962
00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:49,619
contracted with the local uh government

963
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:52,680
to be part of a you know tourism

964
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:55,920
um uh Outreach and to to bring business

965
00:45:02,329 --> 00:44:58,800
into the area to bring you know money

966
00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:02,339
into the area and to create uh jobs and

967
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,480
although

968
00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:05,280
um nothing's been presented to show

969
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:07,319
exactly what they've returned what the

970
00:45:12,109 --> 00:45:09,660
returnables were for that contract

971
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:12,119
essentially what what the state and what

972
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:14,760
the people uh got what the county got uh

973
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:18,300
for paying them that money uh

974
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:19,800
um they do you know clean business with

975
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:22,380
I think you know numbering 500 jobs uh

976
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,700
into the area

977
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,960
um again I

978
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:27,359
didn't specifically name it

979
00:45:31,609 --> 00:45:29,640
um but I think what the overall picture

980
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:31,619
is it's being painted is that you know

981
00:45:37,309 --> 00:45:35,220
these these individuals are uh very

982
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:37,319
obviously tied into government they hold

983
00:45:43,309 --> 00:45:40,020
you know various low-level or government

984
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,319
aside positions uh that have to do with

985
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,599
you know the tourism board and uh

986
00:45:51,770 --> 00:45:47,460
different advisories to the local

987
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:51,780
government uh and at the same time

988
00:45:57,770 --> 00:45:55,140
they're also being payment to

989
00:46:00,829 --> 00:45:57,780
um popularize claims that have to do

990
00:46:03,170 --> 00:46:00,839
with a property that they own within

991
00:46:05,210 --> 00:46:03,180
that area and yeah so they've got a

992
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,220
they've got like a flat they've got a

993
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:07,680
financial motive to fake things I just

994
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,579
saw

995
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,040
here's what I will say though as far as

996
00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:14,160
Skinwalker you know I I want to see data

997
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,540
I want to see evidence and I don't think

998
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:18,000
we ever get it but the the latest I saw

999
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:20,460
is a cow died on the ranch and they're

1000
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:22,140
trying to turn that into some kind of

1001
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:23,339
big event

1002
00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:26,220
and you know oh well there was organs

1003
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:28,859
removed or or you know it was mutilated

1004
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,700
but I don't know I I spent a lot of time

1005
00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:35,280
on a farm and if you spend time on a

1006
00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:36,119
farm

1007
00:46:40,609 --> 00:46:38,339
you're gonna see that when a cow dies

1008
00:46:44,329 --> 00:46:40,619
all kinds of Critters come in and start

1009
00:46:46,849 --> 00:46:44,339
yanking bits off of it to me unless you

1010
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:46,859
can prove otherwise that's just local

1011
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:50,040
carnivores getting a you know a

1012
00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:51,780
well-deserved free meal they're

1013
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:54,420
opportunist they see a cow drops dead in

1014
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:55,800
the middle of a field they're gonna go

1015
00:47:00,410 --> 00:46:57,960
take the soft fleshy parts and

1016
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,420
disgusting as it sounds that means lips

1017
00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:02,960
eyeballs and anuses

1018
00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:06,540
so I don't know what yeah but I will say

1019
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:08,700
this that piece that Stephen Green

1020
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,060
Street did uh recently it kind of

1021
00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:14,400
humanized Brandon fugel to me and it

1022
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:16,020
made me like him because I'm a Sci-Fi

1023
00:47:20,569 --> 00:47:18,780
nerd so I I'm going to give them the

1024
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:20,579
benefit of the doubt but until I see

1025
00:47:26,329 --> 00:47:23,640
actual any actual evidence it's all of

1026
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,339
one big money grab if Bigelow why would

1027
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,800
Bigelow sell it if it really was some

1028
00:47:32,270 --> 00:47:30,480
paranormal hot spot where you could

1029
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:32,280
capture all kinds of Paranormal Activity

1030
00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:34,680
I think Bigelow wasted a lot of money

1031
00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:37,020
realized he finally woke up and realized

1032
00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:39,300
people were lying to him about stuff

1033
00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:40,920
that wasn't really happening at the

1034
00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:43,319
ranch he wasted a ton of money he woke

1035
00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:44,700
up one day and he said I'm going to sell

1036
00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:46,680
it and somebody else can do this if they

1037
00:47:50,750 --> 00:47:48,540
want to and Brandon jumped at the chance

1038
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:50,760
being a big fan of this stuff

1039
00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:52,200
yep

1040
00:47:56,809 --> 00:47:55,619
yeah and of course you know the story is

1041
00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:56,819
that um

1042
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:58,980
he sold the ranch because activity had

1043
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,260
died down in the Years

1044
00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:04,319
um you know before and therefore there

1045
00:48:07,730 --> 00:48:05,700
was really no reason to keep doing that

1046
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:07,740
and then of course you know he sells the

1047
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:10,560
ranch and just like the legend says new

1048
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:13,800
people new activity starts right up

1049
00:48:18,109 --> 00:48:16,140
Brandon fugel's in the money within six

1050
00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:18,119
months he already sees his first you

1051
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:22,440
know triangle and uh it again it's just

1052
00:48:26,510 --> 00:48:24,420
um just it's just a little much and

1053
00:48:29,809 --> 00:48:26,520
strictly because there's not being

1054
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:29,819
evidence presented and I just I find it

1055
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:33,839
um really inking Brewers to continue

1056
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:36,660
continue year after year specific claims

1057
00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:39,180
without any evidence whatsoever and then

1058
00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:41,880
when directly asked about the evidence

1059
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,220
where it is where it can be viewed and

1060
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:46,800
verified the response is either to

1061
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:50,339
literally watch the show or that they

1062
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,380
still haven't finished parsing and

1063
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:54,240
finishing going through the evidence

1064
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,460
which then begs the question if you

1065
00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:57,839
haven't finished going through the

1066
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:59,220
evidence then how can you draw a

1067
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:00,839
conclusion from it

1068
00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:03,660
and continue to profit from that you

1069
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:04,440
know

1070
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,900
um it's just not it's not how it's done

1071
00:49:11,450 --> 00:49:09,839
but these are

1072
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:11,460
questions that we just ultimately

1073
00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:13,560
searched too and um that should be a

1074
00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:16,140
problem for for people yeah and I I

1075
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,619
wonder too is like have you seen this

1076
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,599
the George Knapp stuff because that to

1077
00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:24,000
me is very suspect about Skinwalker he

1078
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,660
claimed that he starts a book off

1079
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:30,000
claiming that the book is based on all

1080
00:49:33,650 --> 00:49:32,520
of the scientific study and research and

1081
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:33,660
evidence

1082
00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:35,339
and then they tell a whole bunch of

1083
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:37,859
ridiculous stories about like werewolves

1084
00:49:43,790 --> 00:49:42,000
and dog-headed men and uh and then when

1085
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,800
he's on Joe Rogan Joe Rogan's like well

1086
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,599
where's the proof where's the evidence

1087
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:47,760
and he's like oh well there really isn't

1088
00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:50,220
any then you know so is this just

1089
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:52,740
mythology and stories or is there

1090
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:55,260
something more to this I got to play you

1091
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:56,640
this Steve and see what you think of

1092
00:50:01,010 --> 00:49:58,200
this because I think this is hysterical

1093
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:01,020
fair use fair use and thank you Stephen

1094
00:50:05,329 --> 00:50:03,780
Green Street does this and it's it this

1095
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,339
is hysterical they come down this dirt

1096
00:50:09,770 --> 00:50:07,680
road one night and they see two two

1097
00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:09,780
figures humanoid looking figures

1098
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:12,420
standing up uh with their backs to the

1099
00:50:15,650 --> 00:50:14,099
road it looked like they're smoking

1100
00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:15,660
cigarettes they had trench coats on

1101
00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:17,640
smoking cigarettes Stand Down on the

1102
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,140
road these guys figure what are these

1103
00:50:22,849 --> 00:50:21,359
fellas up to so they're pulling up and

1104
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,859
they're they're shining their lights on

1105
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:25,200
the guys and they turn around and they

1106
00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:30,050
[Music]

1107
00:50:41,329 --> 00:50:38,930
so this is the kind of stories that he

1108
00:50:44,089 --> 00:50:41,339
tells it's like ridiculous and I I got

1109
00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:44,099
one more of a George Knapp story and

1110
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:46,740
this is great this is another Skinwalker

1111
00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:49,260
Ranch story but the problem that I have

1112
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:51,000
is that we get a lot of stories and we

1113
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:52,559
never get to the part where they show

1114
00:50:59,870 --> 00:50:55,619
you any evidence or proof

1115
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,880
oops let me fix that friends

1116
00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:01,680
again this is George knapto and

1117
00:51:07,250 --> 00:51:04,260
Skinwalker Ranch dude we saw this

1118
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:07,260
but standing on two legs a wolf creature

1119
00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:10,640
a a wolf standing in her yard it's Paws

1120
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:13,380
crossed like this leaning on a tree

1121
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:22,910
she saw this she saw a wolf

1122
00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:26,280
I I don't understand like when you want

1123
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:28,020
some kind of evidence before you put

1124
00:51:31,490 --> 00:51:29,700
that story in a book because he didn't

1125
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:31,500
need any he just somebody told him that

1126
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:40,190
and uh that's the mo you know that's

1127
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,480
that's how it goes and uh it really it's

1128
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,280
even when I was

1129
00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:50,160
uh I guess you say a Believer right and

1130
00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:52,200
uh that was a bridge that was just too

1131
00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:53,940
far for me that you know the skinwalker

1132
00:51:57,230 --> 00:51:55,980
thing I assumed that you know there was

1133
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:57,240
some type of

1134
00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:00,480
thinness in the reality where um you

1135
00:52:04,750 --> 00:52:02,460
know Dimensions bleed or whatever the

1136
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:04,760
hell but as far as like

1137
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:07,280
bulletproof you know

1138
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,140
dogmen coming out and werewolves and

1139
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:12,000
stuff it's just it just boggles the line

1140
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:13,380
especially because if you really go back

1141
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,200
and listen to some of these stories

1142
00:52:19,849 --> 00:52:18,240
read the books listen to the early

1143
00:52:22,849 --> 00:52:19,859
interview

1144
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,859
s with George napkin these are all just

1145
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,200
single witness claims you know the

1146
00:52:29,809 --> 00:52:27,359
things that one person saw even if there

1147
00:52:32,030 --> 00:52:29,819
were multiple people there right and and

1148
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,040
these are just uh just bridges are we're

1149
00:52:36,349 --> 00:52:34,319
always a little too far for me and even

1150
00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:36,359
George Knapp said Point Blank you know

1151
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:38,460
if you're looking for hard conclusive

1152
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:40,380
evidence for skinwalk Iran that's what

1153
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,540
he said I I got it I got the paraphrase

1154
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:44,400
way wrong but you're exactly right he's

1155
00:52:48,049 --> 00:52:46,079
like if you're looking for real good

1156
00:52:50,030 --> 00:52:48,059
hard evidence we don't have any we got a

1157
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:50,040
lot of stories though for you

1158
00:52:56,329 --> 00:52:51,599
you know

1159
00:52:59,210 --> 00:52:56,339
people are getting attacked by

1160
00:53:03,829 --> 00:52:59,220
poltergeists and one of them is what was

1161
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:03,839
that like Poltergeist STD or this this

1162
00:53:08,530 --> 00:53:06,180
is just crazy

1163
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:08,540
yes and at the same and at the same time

1164
00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:11,339
until with also The Hitchhiker effect

1165
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:14,040
which will may even follow you home and

1166
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,380
attach itself to other people in your

1167
00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:18,960
life and wreak havoc despite all that

1168
00:53:24,130 --> 00:53:21,300
they're actually holding tourist

1169
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:24,140
conventions trying to bring more people

1170
00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:26,040
I never thought of that you're

1171
00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:28,200
absolutely right people are afraid of

1172
00:53:32,990 --> 00:53:30,839
getting a skinwalker hitchhiker follow

1173
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:33,000
you home and beat you up or something

1174
00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:36,900
mess with your family I mean I as far as

1175
00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:39,780
a hitchhiker effect though I I I I I

1176
00:53:44,089 --> 00:53:42,119
kind of believe that when it comes to

1177
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:44,099
ghosts and demons and things like that

1178
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:46,920
like if you're in a severely haunted

1179
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,119
house

1180
00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:51,119
maybe it could follow you home or

1181
00:53:54,589 --> 00:53:52,859
something I don't I don't know but they

1182
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,599
don't have evidence or proof of it but

1183
00:53:58,970 --> 00:53:56,880
you're right it's so ridiculous like man

1184
00:54:01,569 --> 00:53:58,980
there's these really dangerous uh

1185
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:01,579
nefarious malevolent

1186
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,559
Poltergeist or demon demonic entities

1187
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:06,480
and they can attach themselves to you

1188
00:54:12,349 --> 00:54:09,359
and follow you home and by the way uh

1189
00:54:13,309 --> 00:54:12,359
come and visit Lord Ludacris thank you

1190
00:54:15,530 --> 00:54:13,319
very much

1191
00:54:18,109 --> 00:54:15,540
uh Lord Lyrica is a big fan of Steve

1192
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,119
long he says the best things around

1193
00:54:24,049 --> 00:54:21,440
great conversation yeah and so what

1194
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:24,059
do you think that this hitchhiker effect

1195
00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:27,000
is real or people just you ever been to

1196
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:28,859
a real creepy place somebody told you is

1197
00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:31,200
haunted you kind of it affects you you

1198
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:32,760
kind of it affects you psychologically

1199
00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:35,520
and you kind of are more apt to believe

1200
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:38,819
when you you know adore slams or winch

1201
00:54:44,329 --> 00:54:41,579
blows and you hear howls or something

1202
00:54:45,530 --> 00:54:44,339
you you get psychologically conditioned

1203
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,540
to believe that there's something

1204
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,520
paranormal going on maybe that's what's

1205
00:54:51,950 --> 00:54:49,920
going on here people just think that

1206
00:54:54,049 --> 00:54:51,960
that something follows them and it's

1207
00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:54,059
coincidences that they add up in their

1208
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:00,829
that's a great point and

1209
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,359
um that the point can be made that most

1210
00:55:07,549 --> 00:55:05,760
people for instance who go to Skinwalker

1211
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,559
Ranch by the time that they get there

1212
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:09,839
they've already heard the stories

1213
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,819
they've already seen the documentaries

1214
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:13,920
watched the show read the books they

1215
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:16,200
know about all the creepy things that

1216
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:17,760
allegedly happen there and that's why

1217
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,839
they're going there because they're

1218
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:20,880
helped to experience that so they're

1219
00:55:27,950 --> 00:55:23,599
already preconditioned to possibly

1220
00:55:29,569 --> 00:55:27,960
misinterpret or to have experiences

1221
00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:29,579
that that they're hoping to actually

1222
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,660
happening

1223
00:55:34,730 --> 00:55:32,640
yeah and I don't know if you saw this

1224
00:55:36,290 --> 00:55:34,740
Stephen Green Street piece but I I'm

1225
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,300
giving him the benefit of doubt I'm

1226
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:38,400
gonna wait until his next piece to see

1227
00:55:44,690 --> 00:55:41,640
what he's saying it is but he he's in

1228
00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:44,700
this like half burnout abandoned

1229
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:47,099
building that they call one of the

1230
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:49,800
homesteads or something and and he hears

1231
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,920
noises and I I don't know you know I got

1232
00:55:56,510 --> 00:55:54,720
a cabin in the woods there's raccoons

1233
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:56,520
there's all kinds of Critters all over

1234
00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:58,740
the place if it was if a building is

1235
00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:01,380
abandoned like that you know I I just

1236
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:03,660
don't understand you don't go straight

1237
00:56:10,609 --> 00:56:06,420
to Paranormal like did you look it could

1238
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:10,619
be raccoons squirrels anything birds

1239
00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:14,040
wild turkeys believe anything can get in

1240
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:16,440
that this building is all like ripped

1241
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:18,660
apart and you know there's like pieces

1242
00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:20,760
of the building missing and Stephen

1243
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,680
Green Street goes there here's a noise

1244
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:25,200
and and suddenly it's this big

1245
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,680
Cliffhanger you know like ooh is this

1246
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:30,240
the skinwalker

1247
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:32,700
you know

1248
00:56:40,609 --> 00:56:37,680
animals making noises that were

1249
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:40,619
misinterpreted and um people just kind

1250
00:56:44,049 --> 00:56:42,059
of freaking themselves out doesn't

1251
00:56:46,210 --> 00:56:44,059
doesn't really sell right allegedly

1252
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:46,220
allegedly

1253
00:56:54,109 --> 00:56:50,640
we gotta be careful I don't want George

1254
00:56:58,130 --> 00:56:56,329
you know although I kind of would take

1255
00:57:00,109 --> 00:56:58,140
uh issue with that I think that there's

1256
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,119
been such a saturation of these shows

1257
00:57:04,730 --> 00:57:02,400
like Ghost Hunters and Skinwalker Ranch

1258
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,740
and you know Curse of Oak Island and

1259
00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:07,200
just such such a cheapening of what is

1260
00:57:12,829 --> 00:57:09,960
real scientific research and just such a

1261
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,839
cheapening of of uh information that I

1262
00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:14,880
think that there's a growing hunger for

1263
00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:18,420
Real uh evidenced fact that is fact that

1264
00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:20,280
can be verified

1265
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,829
that's at least how I feel I think that

1266
00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:26,400
there's a growing a growing population

1267
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,200
that's looking looking for that and

1268
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:30,720
they're less impressed with you know oh

1269
00:57:34,190 --> 00:57:32,520
what was that noise it's making us

1270
00:57:36,170 --> 00:57:34,200
spooky you know what was that over there

1271
00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:36,180
did our IR camera just pick up a ghost

1272
00:57:41,089 --> 00:57:38,940
you know and and there's so people

1273
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:41,099
always have to remember there's no show

1274
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:44,160
if nothing ever happens right that's why

1275
00:57:49,490 --> 00:57:46,740
when you're watching Finding Bigfoot and

1276
00:57:52,130 --> 00:57:49,500
they hear walking in the forest it's a

1277
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:52,140
Bigfoot you know I have a cabin in the

1278
00:57:55,490 --> 00:57:53,760
woods and it is creepy at night

1279
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,500
sometimes especially when you hear

1280
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,319
something big walking because if you

1281
00:58:02,270 --> 00:58:00,000
hear something big where where my cabin

1282
00:58:04,970 --> 00:58:02,280
is it's it's one of two things it's a

1283
00:58:07,549 --> 00:58:04,980
big buck deer or it's a bear

1284
00:58:09,770 --> 00:58:07,559
and uh if it's the deer no problem they

1285
00:58:11,870 --> 00:58:09,780
they just will walk around you or you

1286
00:58:13,790 --> 00:58:11,880
know but if it's a bear that's an issue

1287
00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:13,800
you know but on these Bigfoot shows they

1288
00:58:17,450 --> 00:58:15,480
hear the crunching of leaves and

1289
00:58:20,329 --> 00:58:17,460
suddenly oh that's a Bigfoot walking 10

1290
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:20,339
feet from us but we just couldn't manage

1291
00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:22,140
to get a spotlight on it and show you

1292
00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:24,180
you know it's just kind of ridiculous

1293
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,760
but let me ask you a question if because

1294
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:29,040
I've thought about this if Brandon and

1295
00:58:35,089 --> 00:58:31,500
field goal had bought Skinwalker Ranch

1296
00:58:38,569 --> 00:58:35,099
and then just hired scientists

1297
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,579
to study it and not brought in the

1298
00:58:43,069 --> 00:58:41,280
television show and and made it

1299
00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:43,079
entertainment if he had been more

1300
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:45,960
serious and just hired scientists let's

1301
00:58:50,329 --> 00:58:48,480
get some reports and then maybe every

1302
00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:50,339
four or five months or six months he

1303
00:58:55,609 --> 00:58:52,140
released videos of whatever they

1304
00:58:58,130 --> 00:58:55,619
captured had the scientists explain

1305
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,140
the the phenomenon when you have more

1306
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,240
respect and belief that there's

1307
00:59:05,809 --> 00:59:02,880
something there but this bringing in of

1308
00:59:08,930 --> 00:59:05,819
this entertainment aspect it it's a they

1309
00:59:12,349 --> 00:59:08,940
have a like a motive to fake things or

1310
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,359
to make make you know a mountain out of

1311
00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:14,640
a molehill here

1312
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:20,220
no uh I agree definitely and you know

1313
00:59:26,329 --> 00:59:23,760
I could almost maybe they had one season

1314
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,339
and Mr Frugal saw what the show was and

1315
00:59:30,049 --> 00:59:28,079
you know that was that they moved on and

1316
00:59:31,010 --> 00:59:30,059
changed gears and and did something

1317
00:59:32,089 --> 00:59:31,020
along the lines of what you're talking

1318
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,099
about that would be a different story

1319
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:34,799
but um you know not for nothing but he's

1320
00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:36,599
an executive producer in that show

1321
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:39,180
that's it's very involved important

1322
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:41,880
integral high ranking position in the

1323
00:59:46,190 --> 00:59:43,920
show and they also well they probably

1324
00:59:48,289 --> 00:59:46,200
give up any title he wants it's his

1325
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:48,299
Ranch he can walk in and say I'm the

1326
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,920
executive producer now or we're not

1327
00:59:56,030 --> 00:59:51,839
doing this they'll go okay you know

1328
00:59:58,730 --> 00:59:56,040
right which would which would beg

1329
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,740
the question as to since we see that

1330
01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:00,720
what the show is why he would continue

1331
01:00:05,630 --> 01:00:03,720
to do it you know and again I think the

1332
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,640
answer is financial and a lot of people

1333
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,440
say well he's not making any money from

1334
01:00:11,930 --> 01:00:10,079
the show and you know or he's already I

1335
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:11,940
love that people go oh he doesn't care

1336
01:00:17,329 --> 01:00:14,400
about money he's already rich show me

1337
01:00:19,010 --> 01:00:17,339
one rich person I've known many wealthy

1338
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:19,020
people I've never known a wealthy person

1339
01:00:22,970 --> 01:00:20,880
that just said you know what I got

1340
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,980
enough money I don't need to make any

1341
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:24,720
more money I've never known a wealthy

1342
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,760
person they're always they're wealthy

1343
01:00:31,250 --> 01:00:28,799
because they're good at generating money

1344
01:00:33,470 --> 01:00:31,260
you know why if he's gonna buy this

1345
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,480
Ranch at least as a business person he

1346
01:00:38,690 --> 01:00:35,760
would think I have to at least recoup my

1347
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,700
expenses for what I paid for it and you

1348
01:00:43,309 --> 01:00:41,040
know and and then again I don't blame

1349
01:00:45,289 --> 01:00:43,319
the guy for buying it because you you

1350
01:00:48,049 --> 01:00:45,299
got to answer this question honestly if

1351
01:00:50,990 --> 01:00:48,059
you had the money and Bigelow called you

1352
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:51,000
and said I'm gonna sell the ranch you're

1353
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:53,160
interested in UFOs and paranormal do you

1354
01:00:58,849 --> 01:00:55,079
want to buy it I if I had the money I

1355
01:01:00,589 --> 01:00:58,859
probably my right absolutely not

1356
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:00,599
probably I absolutely would have

1357
01:01:05,630 --> 01:01:02,880
purchased it if I had that kind of money

1358
01:01:07,370 --> 01:01:05,640
you know it's like a kid in a candy

1359
01:01:09,230 --> 01:01:07,380
store if you like Paranormal stuff

1360
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,240
here's here's this Ranch and there's all

1361
01:01:13,250 --> 01:01:11,280
these Legends and you can buy it and it

1362
01:01:14,510 --> 01:01:13,260
you know right I probably would have

1363
01:01:17,930 --> 01:01:14,520
what about Houston would you have bought

1364
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,730
no no I wouldn't buy it if I had the

1365
01:01:23,870 --> 01:01:21,839
money maybe just to Snoop around and see

1366
01:01:25,370 --> 01:01:23,880
what see if I can maybe figure out what

1367
01:01:26,990 --> 01:01:25,380
they were doing there during offs app or

1368
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:27,000
something but you know

1369
01:01:30,349 --> 01:01:27,920
um

1370
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:30,359
well that's that's a good you know I

1371
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:34,079
haven't thought about this before but um

1372
01:01:37,490 --> 01:01:35,880
that's a good a good question you know

1373
01:01:39,230 --> 01:01:37,500
maybe if someone else had bought the

1374
01:01:41,089 --> 01:01:39,240
bought the ranch

1375
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,099
possibly from a different

1376
01:01:46,370 --> 01:01:43,680
mindset you know would we be hearing

1377
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:46,380
different things you know would we get

1378
01:01:54,650 --> 01:01:52,670
um you talk about if they had done

1379
01:01:56,569 --> 01:01:54,660
science on the show you know I went back

1380
01:01:58,670 --> 01:01:56,579
and watched most of the episodes of

1381
01:02:00,650 --> 01:01:58,680
Skinwalker Ranch when I was uh in

1382
01:02:03,289 --> 01:02:00,660
conversation with Brendan Frugal some

1383
01:02:05,809 --> 01:02:03,299
months back through emails and really

1384
01:02:08,510 --> 01:02:05,819
right off the bat in the first show they

1385
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:08,520
were um focusing on the Ridge and they

1386
01:02:12,770 --> 01:02:10,799
had noticed that it had possibly

1387
01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:12,780
reflected some light when they were

1388
01:02:17,870 --> 01:02:15,900
taking some camera shots so they decided

1389
01:02:20,569 --> 01:02:17,880
that possibly there could be some type

1390
01:02:24,049 --> 01:02:20,579
of volcanic rock or something inside of

1391
01:02:26,990 --> 01:02:24,059
the ridge inside the soil

1392
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:27,000
people that maybe light and that could

1393
01:02:29,809 --> 01:02:28,559
possibly account for the things that

1394
01:02:31,370 --> 01:02:29,819
have been attributed to it over the

1395
01:02:32,690 --> 01:02:31,380
years and I was kind of impressed I was

1396
01:02:33,890 --> 01:02:32,700
like okay that's cool that's real

1397
01:02:35,690 --> 01:02:33,900
science and they're gonna go out there

1398
01:02:37,789 --> 01:02:35,700
and they went up there to go you know

1399
01:02:40,670 --> 01:02:37,799
run some tests and to investigate it and

1400
01:02:43,030 --> 01:02:40,680
did they take off to that do they take

1401
01:02:45,230 --> 01:02:43,040
soil samples and find like Rifts

1402
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:45,240
you know we didn't get that far because

1403
01:02:48,530 --> 01:02:47,640
right off the bat batteries started

1404
01:02:51,049 --> 01:02:48,540
dying

1405
01:02:53,690 --> 01:02:51,059
apparently yeah apparently there were no

1406
01:02:55,490 --> 01:02:53,700
extras around then a guy got a headache

1407
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:55,500
and then the whole thing was called off

1408
01:03:01,250 --> 01:02:58,079
because it was getting too dangerous

1409
01:03:02,510 --> 01:03:01,260
Chris and that was a moment that some

1410
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:02,520
real science

1411
01:03:09,410 --> 01:03:06,180
show and instead it was sacrificed for

1412
01:03:10,370 --> 01:03:09,420
this pseudoscience ghost summary spooky

1413
01:03:12,589 --> 01:03:10,380
stuff

1414
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:12,599
um and it just really encapsulated what

1415
01:03:17,870 --> 01:03:14,880
the the context the content of the show

1416
01:03:19,370 --> 01:03:17,880
is as far as I was concerned yeah I I I

1417
01:03:22,130 --> 01:03:19,380
don't know what to think about

1418
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:22,140
Skinwalker I have you know but

1419
01:03:26,030 --> 01:03:23,940
Skinwalker is one of those things that

1420
01:03:28,370 --> 01:03:26,040
like for people that are kind of new to

1421
01:03:30,650 --> 01:03:28,380
all of this crazy it's a good entree

1422
01:03:33,230 --> 01:03:30,660
because uh there's a lot of nothing

1423
01:03:36,890 --> 01:03:33,240
Burgers it's easy to access if you have

1424
01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:36,900
cable TV you know I I gotta but even

1425
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:38,700
people that I know that don't know much

1426
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:40,319
I have a neighbor at the cabin and he

1427
01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:43,200
knows what I do here on my show and I

1428
01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:45,420
was at his house and he he put it on and

1429
01:03:49,130 --> 01:03:47,040
he goes do you ever watch this I can't

1430
01:03:51,230 --> 01:03:49,140
even watch it so fake Steve and he

1431
01:03:53,030 --> 01:03:51,240
doesn't know anything about any of this

1432
01:03:57,230 --> 01:03:53,040
and I go no I don't I don't really watch

1433
01:04:01,549 --> 01:03:59,690
yeah no I mean I can't blame and you

1434
01:04:03,890 --> 01:04:01,559
know just to get back to real quick as

1435
01:04:06,109 --> 01:04:03,900
far as profits that are being generated

1436
01:04:08,690 --> 01:04:06,119
you know

1437
01:04:10,670 --> 01:04:08,700
from the show or not brand Skinwalker

1438
01:04:13,309 --> 01:04:10,680
Ranch is a brand

1439
01:04:16,609 --> 01:04:13,319
um and everything that happens there

1440
01:04:19,549 --> 01:04:16,619
that furthers the mystery and the claims

1441
01:04:22,130 --> 01:04:19,559
and allegations enhances that brand this

1442
01:04:24,530 --> 01:04:22,140
is a brand that is worldwide that has

1443
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:24,540
all kinds of potential for growth and

1444
01:04:29,569 --> 01:04:27,599
generating profit and it also has a

1445
01:04:32,569 --> 01:04:29,579
whole string of individuals that

1446
01:04:34,130 --> 01:04:32,579
continue to try to generate profit that

1447
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:34,140
are connected to this whether they be

1448
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:37,200
scientists or journalists or media

1449
01:04:42,589 --> 01:04:40,079
personalities you know they're

1450
01:04:44,210 --> 01:04:42,599
tied up into the store this Skinwalker

1451
01:04:47,450 --> 01:04:44,220
Ranch and none of them would benefit

1452
01:04:49,549 --> 01:04:47,460
whatsoever for a different story to come

1453
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:49,559
out that may cast doubt on the one

1454
01:04:55,490 --> 01:04:52,319
that's been sown for so long so with

1455
01:04:57,530 --> 01:04:55,500
every bit of publicity promotion and

1456
01:05:00,109 --> 01:04:57,540
furtherance of the claims of that show

1457
01:05:01,730 --> 01:05:00,119
it legitimizes it essentially even

1458
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:01,740
further and legitimizes the people

1459
01:05:05,930 --> 01:05:03,660
around them

1460
01:05:08,450 --> 01:05:05,940
um and it really you know it sounds

1461
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:08,460
Petty but when we talk about those types

1462
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:10,079
of people that there can be a direct

1463
01:05:15,710 --> 01:05:13,200
line drawn to things like the 22 million

1464
01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:15,720
dollar Pentagon UFO program awesome yeah

1465
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:17,880
how much did how much that was a whole

1466
01:05:23,630 --> 01:05:19,740
situation it doesn't make sense to me

1467
01:05:26,030 --> 01:05:23,640
how does a guy who own a ranch get to

1468
01:05:28,130 --> 01:05:26,040
get a 22 million dollar contract to

1469
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,140
study his own property

1470
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:30,000
for the for the United States government

1471
01:05:35,870 --> 01:05:33,599
like how does that you know like I want

1472
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:35,880
to sign up I'll just say that my land at

1473
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,160
the cabin is haunted or something give

1474
01:05:43,010 --> 01:05:40,559
me millions of dollars and I'll study it

1475
01:05:45,049 --> 01:05:43,020
for you it doesn't make sense to me they

1476
01:05:47,569 --> 01:05:45,059
wasted and all we got was a bunch of

1477
01:05:51,650 --> 01:05:47,579
like written reports of nonsense with no

1478
01:05:55,370 --> 01:05:51,660
data no sensor data no film no

1479
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:55,380
photographs no actual data we got

1480
01:06:01,870 --> 01:05:59,280
stories for all that money

1481
01:06:05,569 --> 01:06:01,880
right no apps

1482
01:06:07,609 --> 01:06:05,579
absolutely and um you know I just I was

1483
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:07,619
going through the uh the chat room here

1484
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,520
and uh I noticed that uh

1485
01:06:15,950 --> 01:06:13,680
somebody talked about you know the fact

1486
01:06:18,250 --> 01:06:15,960
that he lacks like where's the geology

1487
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:18,260
where's all the

1488
01:06:22,130 --> 01:06:20,640
geologists on whoever you know we're

1489
01:06:24,250 --> 01:06:22,140
talking about this land that's

1490
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,260
supposedly cursed but we're never really

1491
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:26,640
investigating the land itself and I know

1492
01:06:30,049 --> 01:06:28,319
that there's been a little foray into

1493
01:06:31,730 --> 01:06:30,059
that but you know the

1494
01:06:34,730 --> 01:06:31,740
thing that has stopped that right off

1495
01:06:37,849 --> 01:06:34,740
the bat has always been you know if we

1496
01:06:40,609 --> 01:06:37,859
dig then bad things happen and you know

1497
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:40,619
therefore we can't dig

1498
01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:42,960
um but you know it just when you get

1499
01:06:47,930 --> 01:06:45,000
into things like the area that it's in

1500
01:06:50,270 --> 01:06:47,940
first of all uh an oil-rich area natural

1501
01:06:53,150 --> 01:06:50,280
natural gas area and there's actually

1502
01:06:54,829 --> 01:06:53,160
you know laws so essentially when you

1503
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:54,839
buy a property it doesn't automatically

1504
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:56,880
come with the mineral rights to the

1505
01:07:01,370 --> 01:06:59,280
ground you have to see you know what I I

1506
01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:01,380
found it I found that out when I bought

1507
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,960
the land that I built my cabin on I was

1508
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:05,520
reading through the sales agreement and

1509
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,200
I go wait a minute I don't understand

1510
01:07:12,289 --> 01:07:09,599
this I somebody could just come on my

1511
01:07:14,029 --> 01:07:12,299
land and start drilling for oil or coal

1512
01:07:15,950 --> 01:07:14,039
and they're like well they won't but

1513
01:07:18,589 --> 01:07:15,960
they could that's the way it is in the

1514
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,599
area that I'm in but they could if they

1515
01:07:22,910 --> 01:07:20,640
want to just put an oil rig right on

1516
01:07:25,309 --> 01:07:22,920
your property and dig all underneath

1517
01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:25,319
your whole property it's a weird

1518
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:27,480
situation you're right oil and gas

1519
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:30,000
mineral rights do not automatically

1520
01:07:35,569 --> 01:07:32,640
convey in some states those are separate

1521
01:07:37,970 --> 01:07:35,579
and some oil company Energy company

1522
01:07:41,569 --> 01:07:37,980
already bought the oil and gas rights

1523
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:41,579
for whole towns that exist it's it's a

1524
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:42,960
weird situation

1525
01:07:48,890 --> 01:07:45,839
I just got the new land and the new land

1526
01:07:52,190 --> 01:07:48,900
I do have the oil gas and mineral rights

1527
01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:52,200
so nobody is allowed on that property I

1528
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:54,180
don't anticipate somebody's ever going

1529
01:07:57,890 --> 01:07:56,160
to be putting an oil rig next to my

1530
01:07:59,630 --> 01:07:57,900
cabin but it could happen and that's a

1531
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:59,640
weird situation

1532
01:08:04,670 --> 01:08:02,160
right and especially if you know right

1533
01:08:06,589 --> 01:08:04,680
if somebody buys those rights then they

1534
01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:06,599
essentially can do that and not only

1535
01:08:11,329 --> 01:08:08,940
that if someone owns the mineral rights

1536
01:08:13,490 --> 01:08:11,339
that of the land that you live on you

1537
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:13,500
have to get permission to do any type of

1538
01:08:18,110 --> 01:08:16,560
major digging or really heavy digging on

1539
01:08:20,329 --> 01:08:18,120
that

1540
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:20,339
land and when we talked to Skinwalker

1541
01:08:25,150 --> 01:08:23,040
Ranch uh the the activity allegedly

1542
01:08:27,530 --> 01:08:25,160
started and again claims have been

1543
01:08:29,150 --> 01:08:27,540
backtracked and filled in to really go

1544
01:08:31,550 --> 01:08:29,160
back very far but essentially these

1545
01:08:33,769 --> 01:08:31,560
things started with the Shermans there

1546
01:08:35,930 --> 01:08:33,779
in the mid 90s and they only lived there

1547
01:08:37,490 --> 01:08:35,940
for like less than two years and before

1548
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:37,500
that there was a family that lived on

1549
01:08:43,070 --> 01:08:41,160
the ranch since the 30s and when the uh

1550
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,080
when the Shermans you know took the

1551
01:08:48,530 --> 01:08:45,839
ranch in the 90s they did not take the

1552
01:08:52,130 --> 01:08:48,540
mineral rights from the Myers and in

1553
01:08:54,829 --> 01:08:52,140
fact you know plenty of people like

1554
01:08:57,169 --> 01:08:54,839
George Knapp will have talked time and

1555
01:08:59,150 --> 01:08:57,179
time again about how that it was noted

1556
01:09:01,970 --> 01:08:59,160
in the contract that they could not dig

1557
01:09:04,010 --> 01:09:01,980
on the land and you know Sherman's found

1558
01:09:06,289 --> 01:09:04,020
that odd but a first thought nothing of

1559
01:09:07,849 --> 01:09:06,299
it and then found out when things were

1560
01:09:09,050 --> 01:09:07,859
happening bad they finally realized

1561
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:09,060
that's why they weren't supposed to dig

1562
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,480
on the land well again it's because of

1563
01:09:17,150 --> 01:09:14,640
the mineral rights and I don't know if

1564
01:09:18,530 --> 01:09:17,160
that's a misrepresentation or not but I

1565
01:09:20,329 --> 01:09:18,540
would have to think somewhere along the

1566
01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:20,339
line that these people would have at

1567
01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:22,020
least hopefully looked into that but

1568
01:09:26,030 --> 01:09:24,420
certainly that Clause was in there

1569
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:26,040
because he had not bought the mineral

1570
01:09:30,169 --> 01:09:27,600
rights therefore he couldn't dig and

1571
01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:30,179
would have to notify

1572
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:32,279
right then if you go and get their

1573
01:09:37,789 --> 01:09:34,799
permission because they own the rights

1574
01:09:40,430 --> 01:09:37,799
yeah I I I don't know I I kind of think

1575
01:09:42,110 --> 01:09:40,440
like how many seasons of that television

1576
01:09:43,849 --> 01:09:42,120
show are we up to like how many years

1577
01:09:46,910 --> 01:09:43,859
has he been there doing this and what's

1578
01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:46,920
the best that we got well we shot a

1579
01:09:51,289 --> 01:09:48,779
rocket up and it went off course there's

1580
01:09:53,630 --> 01:09:51,299
got to be some kind of temporal Vortex

1581
01:09:56,270 --> 01:09:53,640
there like I I

1582
01:09:59,870 --> 01:09:56,280
ain't it I don't know you know it just

1583
01:10:02,169 --> 01:09:59,880
like that they they put just enough into

1584
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:02,179
the so-called

1585
01:10:07,790 --> 01:10:05,160
phenomenon or oh there's these anomalies

1586
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,800
but we never get it's just like the

1587
01:10:11,689 --> 01:10:09,840
world of UFOs we never get any Smoking

1588
01:10:14,810 --> 01:10:11,699
Gun proof of anything we get a lot of

1589
01:10:18,350 --> 01:10:14,820
tantalizing maybe proof

1590
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:18,360
no certainly and I just think that

1591
01:10:23,930 --> 01:10:21,120
when we talk about even that area the

1592
01:10:26,209 --> 01:10:23,940
the Uintah area that

1593
01:10:28,370 --> 01:10:26,219
the area and again I saw it was noted in

1594
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:28,380
your chat room that again it is a very

1595
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:32,400
rich area of um gas you know therefore

1596
01:10:38,810 --> 01:10:36,239
we can make the speculation that

1597
01:10:40,490 --> 01:10:38,820
of course it's been written has methane

1598
01:10:42,649 --> 01:10:40,500
leaks and there's areas all over the

1599
01:10:45,290 --> 01:10:42,659
place uh where the ground could just

1600
01:10:47,090 --> 01:10:45,300
suddenly Catch Fire because of these it

1601
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:47,100
does happen out of nowhere in the middle

1602
01:10:51,649 --> 01:10:49,199
of the desert the ground catches fire

1603
01:10:53,689 --> 01:10:51,659
methane methane happens too and that

1604
01:10:55,790 --> 01:10:53,699
causes fires yeah right and that's why

1605
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:55,800
you know why it happens and also if

1606
01:11:00,890 --> 01:10:58,320
someone's possibly breathing that in

1607
01:11:02,689 --> 01:11:00,900
they could experience hallucinations and

1608
01:11:04,910 --> 01:11:02,699
we can certainly take that and stretch

1609
01:11:06,410 --> 01:11:04,920
it back to hundreds of years ago even

1610
01:11:08,030 --> 01:11:06,420
people in that area would have

1611
01:11:10,189 --> 01:11:08,040
experienced things like that and you can

1612
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,199
see where the

1613
01:11:15,050 --> 01:11:13,199
floor of the Arab bill you know simply

1614
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,060
just being ignorant of the scientific

1615
01:11:20,270 --> 01:11:17,520
knowledge of that area and that's

1616
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:20,280
capitalized on today

1617
01:11:25,490 --> 01:11:23,280
yeah I'm not I'm not buying Skinwalker

1618
01:11:28,430 --> 01:11:25,500
so far you know it just and then and

1619
01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:28,440
then one I hate to do this but when I

1620
01:11:36,169 --> 01:11:30,420
see uh

1621
01:11:38,810 --> 01:11:36,179
these people that are involved when I

1622
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:38,820
see that George Knapp is one of the big

1623
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:41,280
promoters of this thing you know I go

1624
01:11:46,490 --> 01:11:44,159
well what's his other contributions oh

1625
01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:46,500
Bob Lazar which is a completely fake

1626
01:11:52,189 --> 01:11:48,840
story in my opinion then I go well this

1627
01:11:54,169 --> 01:11:52,199
story is probably fake too you know it

1628
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:54,179
just doesn't give me a lot of confidence

1629
01:11:58,189 --> 01:11:55,920
that there's anything to this when it's

1630
01:12:01,070 --> 01:11:58,199
the the grifter Squad that's promoting

1631
01:12:05,090 --> 01:12:03,649
yeah and you know people can say

1632
01:12:08,209 --> 01:12:05,100
anything they want about George's other

1633
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:08,219
reporting uh he's known strictly for his

1634
01:12:12,649 --> 01:12:10,800
UFO Reporting that's what he's built his

1635
01:12:14,450 --> 01:12:12,659
career on that's what he's made his name

1636
01:12:17,149 --> 01:12:14,460
on and generated most of his money from

1637
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,159
I mean that's what that's what he does

1638
01:12:21,709 --> 01:12:19,040
um and when we talk about

1639
01:12:24,649 --> 01:12:21,719
all the inconsistencies you know it's

1640
01:12:28,430 --> 01:12:24,659
not okay to say that you were aware of

1641
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,470
and we're deceptive trying to figure out

1642
01:12:35,689 --> 01:12:32,880
the real truth you know and just uh

1643
01:12:37,550 --> 01:12:35,699
there's all kinds of wild claims but he

1644
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,560
is you know one of the top guys I think

1645
01:12:40,729 --> 01:12:39,360
uh Lou Jimenez said it well like you

1646
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:40,739
know you gotta kiss the burning of

1647
01:12:44,689 --> 01:12:42,900
Georgette in this town if you want to be

1648
01:12:46,430 --> 01:12:44,699
somebody you know

1649
01:12:48,350 --> 01:12:46,440
um

1650
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:48,360
I don't know I hope that there seems to

1651
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:51,199
be more of a growing voice of um

1652
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:53,520
discontent I think a lot of people have

1653
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:56,000
been waiting years now especially since

1654
01:13:00,830 --> 01:12:59,040
2017. for very specific promises that

1655
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:00,840
were made and not only have they not

1656
01:13:06,410 --> 01:13:03,360
come to fruition but a lot of the things

1657
01:13:08,209 --> 01:13:06,420
that were alleged and claimed turned out

1658
01:13:11,390 --> 01:13:08,219
to not

1659
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,400
not be true you know from true and I

1660
01:13:16,610 --> 01:13:13,440
think uh that people have kind of grown

1661
01:13:18,110 --> 01:13:16,620
a little not not not a huge amount but I

1662
01:13:19,850 --> 01:13:18,120
think that enough people at least are

1663
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,860
starting to make some noise but

1664
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:21,600
apparently you know it's just a shame

1665
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:23,040
because the the answers don't come

1666
01:13:26,930 --> 01:13:24,960
accountability doesn't come you know

1667
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,940
it's not like George Knapp says you know

1668
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,800
what it was

1669
01:13:34,189 --> 01:13:30,719
I've reached too far or I you know

1670
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:34,199
needed to start my career you know what

1671
01:13:37,970 --> 01:13:35,760
I mean like you were pumping these

1672
01:13:39,709 --> 01:13:37,980
claims with John Lear right before you

1673
01:13:43,370 --> 01:13:39,719
brought on lizard

1674
01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:43,380
yeah you know it's problematic and then

1675
01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:47,400
I've I've caught you know look I I I'm a

1676
01:13:51,410 --> 01:13:49,560
big person though that says like I'm not

1677
01:13:54,350 --> 01:13:51,420
gonna say that this guy's full of [\h__\h]

1678
01:13:56,270 --> 01:13:54,360
until I've investigated thoroughly but

1679
01:13:59,209 --> 01:13:56,280
in the case of George Knapp like I've

1680
01:14:00,830 --> 01:13:59,219
done a lot of Bob Lazar stuff and one of

1681
01:14:03,050 --> 01:14:00,840
the things was to talk to the people

1682
01:14:05,810 --> 01:14:03,060
that were at that Bob Lazar business

1683
01:14:08,030 --> 01:14:05,820
raid and I mean I talked to the FBI

1684
01:14:10,850 --> 01:14:08,040
agents I talked to the local sheriff

1685
01:14:12,830 --> 01:14:10,860
they were all shocked and amazed that

1686
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:12,840
that made it into a documentary they had

1687
01:14:18,890 --> 01:14:16,800
no idea and then I said look I'll buy it

1688
01:14:20,810 --> 01:14:18,900
for you watch it and then let me call

1689
01:14:22,729 --> 01:14:20,820
you and I they didn't take me up on the

1690
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:22,739
buying it that the one guy's like oh no

1691
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:24,960
I have I have a great play and it's if

1692
01:14:28,669 --> 01:14:26,640
it's on Netflix or wherever it's on I

1693
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,679
watch so a couple of them watched it and

1694
01:14:32,330 --> 01:14:30,239
I called them back and they were even

1695
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,340
more pissed because they were like this

1696
01:14:36,350 --> 01:14:34,560
had nothing to do with we didn't even

1697
01:14:39,050 --> 01:14:36,360
know about this guy being a flying

1698
01:14:41,630 --> 01:14:39,060
saucer guy right we didn't even know we

1699
01:14:43,870 --> 01:14:41,640
didn't even know that he was famous in

1700
01:14:47,870 --> 01:14:43,880
the Flying Saucer Community or whatever

1701
01:14:49,729 --> 01:14:47,880
it was and then it was all about uh I

1702
01:14:52,130 --> 01:14:49,739
always get it wrong either thorium or

1703
01:14:55,130 --> 01:14:52,140
thallium one of those chemicals that

1704
01:14:56,930 --> 01:14:55,140
bubbles our cell sold someone allegedly

1705
01:15:01,729 --> 01:14:56,940
used it to murder their wife in another

1706
01:15:03,229 --> 01:15:01,739
state so what we had is a Statewide you

1707
01:15:05,930 --> 01:15:03,239
know like State Police from the state

1708
01:15:08,689 --> 01:15:05,940
the murder took place in a couple of FBI

1709
01:15:11,149 --> 01:15:08,699
agents and the local sheriff there

1710
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,159
wasn't 40 or 50 agents they went in

1711
01:15:16,010 --> 01:15:13,440
there they asked for the sales records

1712
01:15:18,590 --> 01:15:16,020
of that specific person's purchase they

1713
01:15:21,290 --> 01:15:18,600
got them and they left now there was a

1714
01:15:22,970 --> 01:15:21,300
Hazmat guy there because they were aware

1715
01:15:24,410 --> 01:15:22,980
the local sheriff told them like he's

1716
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:24,420
got all kinds of weird chemicals and

1717
01:15:28,490 --> 01:15:26,159
stuff in there we can't just rush in

1718
01:15:31,070 --> 01:15:28,500
there and they sent a Hazmat guy in and

1719
01:15:33,050 --> 01:15:31,080
look around take samples of the air and

1720
01:15:35,209 --> 01:15:33,060
make sure there was no like particulates

1721
01:15:37,070 --> 01:15:35,219
or weirdness and then they he came out

1722
01:15:38,689 --> 01:15:37,080
and said you're clear to go in they went

1723
01:15:39,530 --> 01:15:38,699
in and they got the sales records and

1724
01:15:42,649 --> 01:15:39,540
they left

1725
01:15:44,930 --> 01:15:42,659
but Corbell and George Knapp turned this

1726
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:44,940
into a whole conspiracy they were there

1727
01:15:50,090 --> 01:15:47,760
to steal back the the element 115 and by

1728
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:50,100
the way that was in George that was in

1729
01:15:55,250 --> 01:15:51,600
gene Huff's original Hollywood

1730
01:15:57,410 --> 01:15:55,260
screenplay that whole story but in gene

1731
01:15:59,890 --> 01:15:57,420
Hopps Hollywood screenplay they they

1732
01:16:03,229 --> 01:15:59,900
raided his house looking for the element

1733
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,239
115. I think Corbell had a copy of that

1734
01:16:07,790 --> 01:16:05,280
and needed an end to that documentary

1735
01:16:10,370 --> 01:16:07,800
and that FBI rate happened we'll use

1736
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,380
that you know uh all of the people

1737
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:12,480
involved were shocked and amazed and

1738
01:16:15,709 --> 01:16:13,679
they were like why didn't these people

1739
01:16:17,149 --> 01:16:15,719
even contact us and they asked us our

1740
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:17,159
version of that I'm like I don't know

1741
01:16:22,189 --> 01:16:18,960
you know they needed to sell the

1742
01:16:24,530 --> 01:16:22,199
documentary bro you know but they

1743
01:16:26,450 --> 01:16:24,540
they specifically told me like that the

1744
01:16:29,090 --> 01:16:26,460
sheriff told me he's like I was in The

1745
01:16:31,070 --> 01:16:29,100
Briefing nobody knew that this guy was a

1746
01:16:33,169 --> 01:16:31,080
flying saucer guy nobody knew anything

1747
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:33,179
about that we just knew that he's

1748
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,280
selling weird chemicals and somebody may

1749
01:16:39,530 --> 01:16:37,199
have used those chemicals to kill his

1750
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:39,540
wife we needed to get the sales records

1751
01:16:44,570 --> 01:16:42,000
and the evidence for that case to go

1752
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,580
forward to prosecute that gentleman we

1753
01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:46,320
they had to prove that he got the

1754
01:16:51,290 --> 01:16:48,420
chemicals right you know because there

1755
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:51,300
was Traces by the way allegedly of that

1756
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:52,640
chemical

1757
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:55,920
in his wife's bloodstream at the time of

1758
01:17:02,149 --> 01:16:58,080
her death and somebody at the medical

1759
01:17:04,250 --> 01:17:02,159
examiner's office caught it you know so

1760
01:17:05,930 --> 01:17:04,260
um it is what it is though and then

1761
01:17:08,090 --> 01:17:05,940
another thing that we caught George

1762
01:17:11,149 --> 01:17:08,100
Knapp real bad on is the claims of lie

1763
01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:11,159
detector tests his best friend well not

1764
01:17:14,810 --> 01:17:12,420
bad I don't know if it's his best friend

1765
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,820
but his very close friend Gabe fablazar

1766
01:17:18,590 --> 01:17:16,800
the lie detector test and there's

1767
01:17:21,530 --> 01:17:18,600
conflicting statements back and forth

1768
01:17:24,530 --> 01:17:21,540
about whether he uh failed the first one

1769
01:17:25,970 --> 01:17:24,540
was inconclusive on the second one you

1770
01:17:27,890 --> 01:17:25,980
don't just keep giving somebody lie

1771
01:17:29,630 --> 01:17:27,900
detector tests and I think George Knapp

1772
01:17:32,270 --> 01:17:29,640
did that because Bob was our story was

1773
01:17:33,890 --> 01:17:32,280
falling apart at that time he just got

1774
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:33,900
busted for his whole education being

1775
01:17:37,729 --> 01:17:35,520
fake they needed some way to keep it

1776
01:17:39,050 --> 01:17:37,739
going let's give him lie detector tests

1777
01:17:41,330 --> 01:17:39,060
and we'll just keep testing them until

1778
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:41,340
he passes that's what they did they just

1779
01:17:44,530 --> 01:17:42,960
kept testing him until he passed we

1780
01:17:47,209 --> 01:17:44,540
talked to the American polygraph

1781
01:17:50,090 --> 01:17:47,219
Association they all said you that's not

1782
01:17:52,370 --> 01:17:50,100
how this works you can't just keep they

1783
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:52,380
just kept giving him tests calm down

1784
01:17:58,010 --> 01:17:54,719
here take it down or we'll ask you again

1785
01:18:00,830 --> 01:17:58,020
you know like this is all but George

1786
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:00,840
Knapp manufactures fake evidence to sell

1787
01:18:06,770 --> 01:18:03,840
fake stories that's my conclusion and by

1788
01:18:08,810 --> 01:18:06,780
the way he yelled he he sent me this big

1789
01:18:15,290 --> 01:18:08,820
long message because I sent him all the

1790
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:17,630
Steve and I've investigated hundreds of

1791
01:18:21,530 --> 01:18:19,500
murders and you you don't know that's

1792
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:21,540
not how a murder investigation works and

1793
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:23,040
you're an amateur and you don't know

1794
01:18:26,810 --> 01:18:24,840
what you're doing and I'm like I didn't

1795
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:26,820
lie to everybody in a document Century

1796
01:18:37,130 --> 01:18:35,030
I like the way that he that he uh like

1797
01:18:39,050 --> 01:18:37,140
is very aggressive with critics though

1798
01:18:42,110 --> 01:18:39,060
on Twitter and stuff like that like he

1799
01:18:45,050 --> 01:18:42,120
he tells people to ask clowns you're an

1800
01:18:47,149 --> 01:18:45,060
ass clown you're an ass clown critic or

1801
01:18:49,610 --> 01:18:47,159
an armchair ass clown click you know so

1802
01:18:51,770 --> 01:18:49,620
it's kind of fun at least he never has

1803
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:51,780
blocked me or anything he's told me how

1804
01:19:02,810 --> 01:18:57,290
yeah

1805
01:19:05,930 --> 01:19:02,820
that you know nap will uh not you know

1806
01:19:07,790 --> 01:19:05,940
not block people which is rare again you

1807
01:19:09,890 --> 01:19:07,800
know anybody if you show that you're in

1808
01:19:13,130 --> 01:19:09,900
uh disagreement with these people Gary

1809
01:19:14,930 --> 01:19:13,140
they usually block yeah yeah so I you

1810
01:19:17,930 --> 01:19:14,940
know I will uh give give him some credit

1811
01:19:20,689 --> 01:19:17,940
for that but again like

1812
01:19:22,130 --> 01:19:20,699
he makes claims of like having seen the

1813
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:22,140
one

1814
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:25,920
yeah he knew where it was buried

1815
01:19:32,330 --> 01:19:30,000
he's gonna dig it up this guy has made

1816
01:19:35,090 --> 01:19:32,340
millions of dollars off this fake Story

1817
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,100
come on if he really knew where absolute

1818
01:19:41,209 --> 01:19:37,679
proof of alien technology on Earth was

1819
01:19:43,550 --> 01:19:41,219
buried this grifter of a reporter would

1820
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:43,560
just keep it under his hat he was a good

1821
01:19:47,689 --> 01:19:45,600
thing he'd be there digging it up the

1822
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,699
first day he knew where it was he there

1823
01:19:53,390 --> 01:19:49,199
to shovel at three o'clock in the

1824
01:19:56,169 --> 01:19:53,400
morning you know it's so funny

1825
01:20:00,530 --> 01:19:56,179
no absolutely

1826
01:20:03,770 --> 01:20:00,540
happened again it it's just uh it's

1827
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,780
almost insulting you know

1828
01:20:07,370 --> 01:20:05,760
yeah and then I guess the other thing

1829
01:20:10,729 --> 01:20:07,380
you've been looking into is rendelson

1830
01:20:12,590 --> 01:20:10,739
Forest are we gonna what here's what

1831
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:12,600
I'll tell you about Renaissance Forest I

1832
01:20:17,209 --> 01:20:14,400
think something happened it might have

1833
01:20:20,630 --> 01:20:17,219
been some sort of drone or some sort of

1834
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,640
experimental small craft unmanned craft

1835
01:20:24,590 --> 01:20:22,560
if you ask me

1836
01:20:26,810 --> 01:20:24,600
um and and again a mountain was made out

1837
01:20:29,390 --> 01:20:26,820
of a molehill because what I don't like

1838
01:20:31,850 --> 01:20:29,400
is that these extra stories kept getting

1839
01:20:33,410 --> 01:20:31,860
tacked on to it if you go back and you'd

1840
01:20:34,610 --> 01:20:33,420
listen to the original story well

1841
01:20:38,270 --> 01:20:34,620
there's a craft

1842
01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:38,280
some people saw it you know but then we

1843
01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:40,380
get this oh he touched it he got a

1844
01:20:45,770 --> 01:20:43,140
binary download and none of this makes

1845
01:20:48,290 --> 01:20:45,780
any sense to me I think that this might

1846
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:48,300
be a case of a genuine

1847
01:20:53,209 --> 01:20:50,880
um a genuine Encounter of some kind

1848
01:20:55,490 --> 01:20:53,219
happened but then the profiteering

1849
01:20:57,890 --> 01:20:55,500
started almost immediately after the

1850
01:20:58,980 --> 01:20:57,900
initial story was told what what's your

1851
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,990
take on rental Sim

1852
01:21:03,290 --> 01:21:00,480
[Music]

1853
01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:03,300
yeah I mean I I think that what you said

1854
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:07,320
is is absolutely true on on some level

1855
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:10,320
um whatever occurred out there

1856
01:21:15,169 --> 01:21:12,960
or something occurred it was uh some

1857
01:21:19,010 --> 01:21:15,179
guys going out being confused by the

1858
01:21:20,689 --> 01:21:19,020
tree lights something occurred and uh in

1859
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:20,699
short time

1860
01:21:25,850 --> 01:21:23,280
the the train came along and the media

1861
01:21:28,010 --> 01:21:25,860
came along and the story built and it

1862
01:21:30,169 --> 01:21:28,020
just has swelled into something that's

1863
01:21:32,350 --> 01:21:30,179
just so different I mean these people

1864
01:21:35,090 --> 01:21:32,360
themselves have told multiple different

1865
01:21:38,750 --> 01:21:35,100
versions of the stories once again you

1866
01:21:40,430 --> 01:21:38,760
know it goes on more is added to the

1867
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:40,440
story and it just so happens to always

1868
01:21:45,709 --> 01:21:43,679
be on the 30th Anniversary or the 40th

1869
01:21:48,649 --> 01:21:45,719
anniversary when they're doing some big

1870
01:21:49,729 --> 01:21:48,659
documentary or some big convention

1871
01:21:54,050 --> 01:21:49,739
um

1872
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,060
yeah I think that what's interesting

1873
01:21:58,189 --> 01:21:56,400
like you said

1874
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:58,199
something happened and the whole

1875
01:22:02,630 --> 01:22:01,199
spectrum of possibilities as to what

1876
01:22:04,490 --> 01:22:02,640
what could have happened that night and

1877
01:22:05,810 --> 01:22:04,500
even that Spectrum exists when we get

1878
01:22:07,490 --> 01:22:05,820
down into

1879
01:22:10,370 --> 01:22:07,500
um not just that night but the three

1880
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:10,380
nights of that event really

1881
01:22:13,130 --> 01:22:11,100
um

1882
01:22:16,130 --> 01:22:13,140
but I think what's really interesting is

1883
01:22:18,830 --> 01:22:16,140
the later events that's happened really

1884
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:18,840
with John Burroughs too because you know

1885
01:22:23,390 --> 01:22:21,120
we've now he come out he came out with a

1886
01:22:27,050 --> 01:22:23,400
book just a year or two ago uh

1887
01:22:29,930 --> 01:22:27,060
weaponization of a UAP uh and in that he

1888
01:22:31,610 --> 01:22:29,940
you know very far from the story that

1889
01:22:33,410 --> 01:22:31,620
most of us probably learned this as

1890
01:22:35,209 --> 01:22:33,420
years ago on Unsolved Mysteries or

1891
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:35,219
something being you know triangular

1892
01:22:42,290 --> 01:22:38,400
craft that came down now it's very

1893
01:22:44,330 --> 01:22:42,300
different you know possibly this was uh

1894
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:44,340
government test that was in you know

1895
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:47,040
weaponizing the phenomena

1896
01:22:50,810 --> 01:22:48,540
um and again it just goes to show how

1897
01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:50,820
far it drifts but he's also alleged some

1898
01:22:56,750 --> 01:22:53,580
really a serious things like that you

1899
01:22:59,870 --> 01:22:56,760
know his DD214 was altered

1900
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,880
um and that you know they denied uh him

1901
01:23:05,209 --> 01:23:01,679
those and that you know he was trying to

1902
01:23:07,250 --> 01:23:05,219
essentially get uh medical records and

1903
01:23:09,530 --> 01:23:07,260
medical coverage for a problem that he

1904
01:23:10,669 --> 01:23:09,540
had and uh he alleges that you know they

1905
01:23:13,610 --> 01:23:10,679
pretty much still involved him they

1906
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:13,620
changed his DD214 to say that you know

1907
01:23:18,830 --> 01:23:16,320
he wasn't even in the military

1908
01:23:20,990 --> 01:23:18,840
Terry until 19 would have been a year

1909
01:23:23,810 --> 01:23:21,000
after or I'm sorry uh two years after

1910
01:23:24,430 --> 01:23:23,820
the rental Show event even occurred

1911
01:23:26,510 --> 01:23:24,440
um

1912
01:23:28,490 --> 01:23:26,520
that's kind of that's kind of

1913
01:23:31,010 --> 01:23:28,500
interesting though but is there is there

1914
01:23:33,950 --> 01:23:31,020
meat on the bones of that claim or is it

1915
01:23:35,570 --> 01:23:33,960
just him saying these things right and

1916
01:23:37,310 --> 01:23:35,580
that's what I've heard of it or I don't

1917
01:23:38,990 --> 01:23:37,320
think we do

1918
01:23:40,669 --> 01:23:39,000
right and that's what I was going to get

1919
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:40,679
to and you know he claims that he even

1920
01:23:45,770 --> 01:23:42,960
went so far as to in you know take the

1921
01:23:47,689 --> 01:23:45,780
help of senators like John McCain to

1922
01:23:50,330 --> 01:23:47,699
help him you know get his medical

1923
01:23:53,149 --> 01:23:50,340
records and get

1924
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:53,159
some help and and he claims again

1925
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:55,199
without any type of uh documentation

1926
01:23:58,729 --> 01:23:56,640
that

1927
01:24:00,590 --> 01:23:58,739
they did help him they would not let him

1928
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:00,600
see his medical records and essentially

1929
01:24:03,950 --> 01:24:02,880
they gave him full disability and said

1930
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:03,960
that we'll take care of your medical

1931
01:24:08,090 --> 01:24:06,239
problems here through the government for

1932
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:08,100
the rest of your life but will never

1933
01:24:12,890 --> 01:24:09,600
tell you what happened and you can't

1934
01:24:15,470 --> 01:24:12,900
even file foia requests anymore trying

1935
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:15,480
to find out what happened and that is

1936
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:18,480
just uh insane if that really again he's

1937
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:20,159
not giving us anything to believe these

1938
01:24:24,350 --> 01:24:22,320
things and that's a really insane claim

1939
01:24:27,410 --> 01:24:24,360
to make that you

1940
01:24:29,630 --> 01:24:27,420
you've been barred from filing foyers

1941
01:24:31,850 --> 01:24:29,640
and if you do your

1942
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,860
um your benefits will be shut up yeah

1943
01:24:34,970 --> 01:24:33,360
it's going to be but that's the problem

1944
01:24:38,090 --> 01:24:34,980
that I have it seems like that guy's

1945
01:24:40,490 --> 01:24:38,100
making has made a lot of claims but I I

1946
01:24:43,010 --> 01:24:40,500
don't ever see proof of those claims and

1947
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,020
there would be something right there

1948
01:24:47,390 --> 01:24:45,120
would be some kind of paperwork to show

1949
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,400
you know maybe he had a copy of his

1950
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:49,920
DD214 before they modified it and then

1951
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:52,080
we could show what what modifications

1952
01:24:58,430 --> 01:24:55,199
were made by what they have on there

1953
01:25:00,410 --> 01:24:58,440
I've never I I'm I do know how to do it

1954
01:25:03,290 --> 01:25:00,420
to go to the National Personnel records

1955
01:25:05,810 --> 01:25:03,300
Center and get anybody's records

1956
01:25:07,970 --> 01:25:05,820
um but the DD-214 I couldn't get unless

1957
01:25:10,250 --> 01:25:07,980
I was a family member of for certain

1958
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:10,260
reasons so I I don't think we'll ever

1959
01:25:15,530 --> 01:25:13,199
know the truth of that story and of

1960
01:25:17,149 --> 01:25:15,540
course what make gives me pause is that

1961
01:25:19,790 --> 01:25:17,159
Linda Moulton Howell was involved in

1962
01:25:21,530 --> 01:25:19,800
promoting that those stories with him

1963
01:25:23,209 --> 01:25:21,540
you know

1964
01:25:25,130 --> 01:25:23,219
yes

1965
01:25:28,189 --> 01:25:25,140
yeah I know they did the uh convention

1966
01:25:31,370 --> 01:25:28,199
circuits and uh really got it out there

1967
01:25:36,590 --> 01:25:33,950
it just it you know when the reason to

1968
01:25:38,450 --> 01:25:36,600
bring these things up is because it's

1969
01:25:40,370 --> 01:25:38,460
very

1970
01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:40,380
hard really one of your life I think

1971
01:25:45,169 --> 01:25:43,320
today uh but it's extremely hard in this

1972
01:25:47,689 --> 01:25:45,179
topic to

1973
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:47,699
understand what's going on and get a

1974
01:25:53,090 --> 01:25:50,880
grasp on the truth and the facts in real

1975
01:25:54,530 --> 01:25:53,100
time right A lot of times simply just

1976
01:25:57,169 --> 01:25:54,540
having to do with things like National

1977
01:25:59,570 --> 01:25:57,179
Security uh and the time no that makes

1978
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:59,580
sense if they were really if they were

1979
01:26:04,370 --> 01:26:01,760
testing some kind of secret drone

1980
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:04,380
unmanned aerial vehicle or something and

1981
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,239
that's what those people saw and it was

1982
01:26:09,890 --> 01:26:08,639
a secret project which doesn't really

1983
01:26:11,570 --> 01:26:09,900
make sense to me because why would you

1984
01:26:14,750 --> 01:26:11,580
test it in a foreign country but okay

1985
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:14,760
let's just go there of course they would

1986
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:17,760
you know tell people you can't uh talk

1987
01:26:23,810 --> 01:26:20,960
about what you saw or whatever but

1988
01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:23,820
this these you're right the stories keep

1989
01:26:28,970 --> 01:26:25,560
changing they keep getting more Grand

1990
01:26:30,649 --> 01:26:28,980
people didn't one or more of them claim

1991
01:26:32,810 --> 01:26:30,659
that they were interrogated with some

1992
01:26:33,950 --> 01:26:32,820
kind of chemical agent that they were

1993
01:26:36,590 --> 01:26:33,960
given

1994
01:26:38,209 --> 01:26:36,600
you know like first of all if if you're

1995
01:26:40,490 --> 01:26:38,219
there and somebody's like here drink

1996
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:40,500
this or they give you a shot you know

1997
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:43,920
like I I don't I don't understand that

1998
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:48,239
that sounds really like spy novel to me

1999
01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:52,800
yes and you know even that has been you

2000
01:26:58,610 --> 01:26:55,620
know refuted initially it was

2001
01:27:00,649 --> 01:26:58,620
um you know sodium pentathol was used

2002
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:00,659
but then there was an issue with that

2003
01:27:04,430 --> 01:27:02,639
because of the timing and the year of

2004
01:27:06,129 --> 01:27:04,440
the event

2005
01:27:09,169 --> 01:27:06,139
and

2006
01:27:11,930 --> 01:27:09,179
it's just there's always an excuse as to

2007
01:27:13,610 --> 01:27:11,940
why whatever was said before uh was not

2008
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,620
correct and it's just even if you listen

2009
01:27:17,870 --> 01:27:15,840
to John Burrows you know he literally

2010
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:17,880
says that

2011
01:27:22,370 --> 01:27:19,679
um every time he meets these people like

2012
01:27:24,110 --> 01:27:22,380
home Kelleher and Hal put off you know

2013
01:27:25,850 --> 01:27:24,120
they tell him something and it's always

2014
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,860
something that's completely different

2015
01:27:29,810 --> 01:27:27,840
than the last time they got together and

2016
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:29,820
they told him something but yet he

2017
01:27:34,430 --> 01:27:31,920
continues to believe these things time

2018
01:27:36,110 --> 01:27:34,440
and time again and tell it to us and

2019
01:27:38,330 --> 01:27:36,120
we're supposed to believe it and you

2020
01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:38,340
know it just again I I don't think that

2021
01:27:42,410 --> 01:27:40,440
that could possibly

2022
01:27:44,090 --> 01:27:42,420
to be the case borrow something too but

2023
01:27:44,930 --> 01:27:44,100
you know what I mean

2024
01:27:47,149 --> 01:27:44,940
um

2025
01:27:48,530 --> 01:27:47,159
yeah it's it's a really interesting case

2026
01:27:50,209 --> 01:27:48,540
though and like I'm saying I think the

2027
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:50,219
important thing about these cases why

2028
01:27:53,149 --> 01:27:51,600
it's important to continue to try and

2029
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:53,159
look at them and figure it out again

2030
01:27:58,430 --> 01:27:56,880
because in hindsight and retrospect is

2031
01:28:00,290 --> 01:27:58,440
really the only way these things can be

2032
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:00,300
figured out if they if they can at all

2033
01:28:05,149 --> 01:28:03,360
but also the only way we can help to

2034
01:28:07,610 --> 01:28:05,159
understand what's happening in the

2035
01:28:09,770 --> 01:28:07,620
present is to look at the past you know

2036
01:28:12,169 --> 01:28:09,780
and when we see something like what's

2037
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:12,179
been happening since 2017 you know

2038
01:28:18,709 --> 01:28:15,840
there's endless examples to sight in the

2039
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:18,719
last 70 years exactly

2040
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:22,320
as to Roach this with caution uh and why

2041
01:28:26,209 --> 01:28:24,000
we should be scrutinous of the

2042
01:28:28,430 --> 01:28:26,219
intelligence Community coming and

2043
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:28,440
essentially offering the answer and

2044
01:28:33,050 --> 01:28:30,719
getting us to support all kinds of

2045
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:33,060
legislation and funding

2046
01:28:37,129 --> 01:28:35,040
um yeah call your Senator get us some

2047
01:28:39,169 --> 01:28:37,139
money right Steve long I did a show

2048
01:28:42,770 --> 01:28:39,179
yesterday on all the CIA infiltration

2049
01:28:45,890 --> 01:28:42,780
into ufology since 2016. it's crazy how

2050
01:28:48,770 --> 01:28:45,900
many actual verifiable CIA people are

2051
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:48,780
suddenly seeing aliens and going on

2052
01:28:58,729 --> 01:28:56,689
foreign yeah yeah no I agree the

2053
01:29:00,470 --> 01:28:58,739
experience or um the experiencer

2054
01:29:02,450 --> 01:29:00,480
movement is big and there are there's

2055
01:29:04,729 --> 01:29:02,460
just a ton of

2056
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:04,739
podcasts out there and

2057
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:06,719
um it is you know that's that's great

2058
01:29:11,629 --> 01:29:09,120
but um when it comes to really

2059
01:29:13,970 --> 01:29:11,639
objectively looking at what's what's

2060
01:29:16,729 --> 01:29:13,980
going on like we we need to just totally

2061
01:29:19,010 --> 01:29:16,739
you know being open-minded uh doesn't it

2062
01:29:21,410 --> 01:29:19,020
doesn't mean being open-minded to

2063
01:29:23,629 --> 01:29:21,420
putting the most unlikely things first

2064
01:29:27,530 --> 01:29:23,639
you know it just means being open-minded

2065
01:29:30,770 --> 01:29:27,540
to considering the most unlikely things

2066
01:29:32,990 --> 01:29:30,780
um and unfortunately uh the default is

2067
01:29:34,430 --> 01:29:33,000
is usually

2068
01:29:36,410 --> 01:29:34,440
um to put the most unlikely thing all

2069
01:29:39,050 --> 01:29:36,420
the way up the top

2070
01:29:41,870 --> 01:29:39,060
of the list and then start from instead

2071
01:29:43,970 --> 01:29:41,880
of eliminating the things that uh should

2072
01:29:45,470 --> 01:29:43,980
first be eliminated and again if we need

2073
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:45,480
if we really want to know what the truth

2074
01:29:49,790 --> 01:29:47,280
is then we're going to have to you know

2075
01:29:52,430 --> 01:29:49,800
shift out the bunk you know it's just

2076
01:29:55,790 --> 01:29:52,440
there's no other way

2077
01:29:57,950 --> 01:29:55,800
yeah so what are you going to continue

2078
01:30:00,669 --> 01:29:57,960
to look into the renderson case even

2079
01:30:03,410 --> 01:30:00,679
though you still have doubts or and and

2080
01:30:05,870 --> 01:30:03,420
Pascagoula or are you kind of like

2081
01:30:07,850 --> 01:30:05,880
satisfied with the levels that you've

2082
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:07,860
digested and you're going to move on to

2083
01:30:16,129 --> 01:30:13,370
foreign

2084
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:16,139
oh no no I mean I'm certainly uh here

2085
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:18,239
and I you know I don't have any answers

2086
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:20,159
for these cases I don't really know what

2087
01:30:24,350 --> 01:30:22,320
happened but essentially

2088
01:30:27,530 --> 01:30:24,360
um you know it's baby steps and I know

2089
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:27,540
probably the most people that uh are

2090
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:29,040
interested find an interest in this

2091
01:30:33,950 --> 01:30:31,199
topic uh and eventually go through the

2092
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:33,960
arc by the time they come around to it

2093
01:30:38,450 --> 01:30:36,000
um they probably figure like look why

2094
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:38,460
even and stick around you know but

2095
01:30:44,750 --> 01:30:41,360
certainly when I decided to start really

2096
01:30:46,729 --> 01:30:44,760
researching objectively in Earnest this

2097
01:30:49,370 --> 01:30:46,739
topic I can say that I was very grateful

2098
01:30:52,810 --> 01:30:49,380
for people who stuck around for years

2099
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:52,820
and continued to speak to the

2100
01:30:56,270 --> 01:30:55,199
inaccuracies Goods

2101
01:30:58,370 --> 01:30:56,280
um you know when we talk about people

2102
01:31:00,290 --> 01:30:58,380
like Barry Greenwood you know started

2103
01:31:02,810 --> 01:31:00,300
doing this in the 60s he's still here

2104
01:31:04,370 --> 01:31:02,820
today yeah I just saw I just saw some of

2105
01:31:07,610 --> 01:31:04,380
those clips of him saying that there's

2106
01:31:11,390 --> 01:31:07,620
no evidence that he's seen in 60 years

2107
01:31:13,610 --> 01:31:11,400
of actual alien crash technology or or

2108
01:31:15,590 --> 01:31:13,620
that sort of thing and I think a lot of

2109
01:31:18,110 --> 01:31:15,600
that is just Mythos and it becomes

2110
01:31:20,030 --> 01:31:18,120
accepted as facts somehow it's like if

2111
01:31:21,770 --> 01:31:20,040
enough different people repeat it well

2112
01:31:25,450 --> 01:31:21,780
there's got to be something to it you

2113
01:31:29,450 --> 01:31:25,460
know I I don't I want to see the bodies

2114
01:31:31,850 --> 01:31:29,460
in you know Hangar 18 I want to see the

2115
01:31:32,890 --> 01:31:31,860
technology that they have I want to see

2116
01:31:36,410 --> 01:31:32,900
something

2117
01:31:38,450 --> 01:31:36,420
these just a story to me is no longer

2118
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:38,460
enough I think when I started a story

2119
01:31:42,410 --> 01:31:40,800
was enough I didn't know enough that you

2120
01:31:44,810 --> 01:31:42,420
got to really investigate the person

2121
01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:44,820
telling the story to determine if

2122
01:31:48,890 --> 01:31:46,320
they're truthful or not

2123
01:31:51,770 --> 01:31:48,900
or trustworthy or not

2124
01:31:53,090 --> 01:31:51,780
yeah researching this topic has

2125
01:31:56,209 --> 01:31:53,100
certainly

2126
01:31:59,510 --> 01:31:56,219
um helped me better research and discern

2127
01:32:01,970 --> 01:31:59,520
information in all aspects of my life I

2128
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:01,980
can certainly say that I

2129
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:04,320
certainly thought that I was

2130
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:08,400
um a pretty objective unbiased uh

2131
01:32:14,510 --> 01:32:10,800
discerner of information before but I I

2132
01:32:16,370 --> 01:32:14,520
certainly wasn't and as a human being

2133
01:32:18,050 --> 01:32:16,380
thing I had all kinds of facts I still

2134
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:18,060
have them and it's just you know about a

2135
01:32:21,950 --> 01:32:20,400
constant uh a program of improvement

2136
01:32:22,850 --> 01:32:21,960
right

2137
01:32:25,370 --> 01:32:22,860
um

2138
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:25,380
but it's certainly not

2139
01:32:29,870 --> 01:32:27,120
there's nobody that's precluded from

2140
01:32:32,990 --> 01:32:29,880
having such fall abilities you know and

2141
01:32:34,490 --> 01:32:33,000
um when we look at what's going on you

2142
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:34,500
know when we question people when we

2143
01:32:38,510 --> 01:32:36,480
offer scrutiny it doesn't mean that that

2144
01:32:40,729 --> 01:32:38,520
person's lying you know it could be that

2145
01:32:43,490 --> 01:32:40,739
that person's confused or that person's

2146
01:32:46,490 --> 01:32:43,500
just just wrong you know and uh there's

2147
01:32:49,669 --> 01:32:46,500
just it's a shame because what what this

2148
01:32:51,890 --> 01:32:49,679
really requires is an objective

2149
01:32:54,850 --> 01:32:51,900
questioning constantly right that's what

2150
01:32:56,870 --> 01:32:54,860
we're here to weaponize our

2151
01:32:59,149 --> 01:32:56,880
curiosity uh

2152
01:33:03,830 --> 01:32:59,159
um I think that's monetize your

2153
01:33:07,250 --> 01:33:05,209
um you know in order to do that

2154
01:33:09,890 --> 01:33:07,260
unfortunately you know there's always

2155
01:33:11,450 --> 01:33:09,900
the turnaround of that which is well

2156
01:33:12,890 --> 01:33:11,460
what are you saying you know these

2157
01:33:14,450 --> 01:33:12,900
people aren't good enough what are you

2158
01:33:17,149 --> 01:33:14,460
saying that Pilots would would

2159
01:33:20,689 --> 01:33:17,159
misidentify things as if Pilots you know

2160
01:33:24,530 --> 01:33:20,699
are aren't fallible in some way

2161
01:33:26,810 --> 01:33:24,540
um and it's just uh the the appeal the

2162
01:33:28,490 --> 01:33:26,820
argument of authority is just the

2163
01:33:32,450 --> 01:33:28,500
foundation

2164
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:32,460
edition of of every every story every uh

2165
01:33:37,250 --> 01:33:35,520
promotion every every plea uh it's

2166
01:33:39,229 --> 01:33:37,260
always there's never evidence it's just

2167
01:33:42,050 --> 01:33:39,239
the quality the level of the person

2168
01:33:45,410 --> 01:33:42,060
their believability their office their

2169
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:45,420
title that is what carries the message

2170
01:33:51,050 --> 01:33:48,000
um and that's just totally wrong uh

2171
01:33:55,070 --> 01:33:53,090
well isn't it natural though that some

2172
01:33:57,110 --> 01:33:55,080
of these guys take advantage when they

2173
01:33:59,090 --> 01:33:57,120
get their grift on like

2174
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:59,100
I could think of many different examples

2175
01:34:02,510 --> 01:34:00,960
of people who used to work for the

2176
01:34:04,850 --> 01:34:02,520
government that get involved with the

2177
01:34:07,430 --> 01:34:04,860
UFO community and they use that they

2178
01:34:11,270 --> 01:34:07,440
were like for example

2179
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:11,280
what is it John de Souza is a former FBI

2180
01:34:17,330 --> 01:34:13,679
agent but what he doesn't tell you is

2181
01:34:19,790 --> 01:34:17,340
that he was a lawyer for the FBI and he

2182
01:34:22,010 --> 01:34:19,800
never investigated anything paranormal

2183
01:34:24,290 --> 01:34:22,020
for the FBI in his life but suddenly

2184
01:34:27,709 --> 01:34:24,300
he's some sort of expert on all things

2185
01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:27,719
UFO and paranormal and I was once an FBI

2186
01:34:31,850 --> 01:34:29,520
agent it gives him some sort of

2187
01:34:34,010 --> 01:34:31,860
credibility with stupid people in my

2188
01:34:36,169 --> 01:34:34,020
opinion you know

2189
01:34:38,030 --> 01:34:36,179
because if he was just Joe Blow saying

2190
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:38,040
these things okay but here's a former

2191
01:34:43,070 --> 01:34:40,380
FBI agent is saying this stuff you know

2192
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:43,080
but largely that guy's like a Hired Gun

2193
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:44,639
like if you need somebody to back up

2194
01:34:49,129 --> 01:34:46,800
your BS claims in your documentary you

2195
01:34:50,930 --> 01:34:49,139
give him a few hundred or maybe a few

2196
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:50,940
thousand dollars and you sit him down

2197
01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:52,560
and he agrees with everything that's

2198
01:34:57,050 --> 01:34:54,960
going on in your documentary that's what

2199
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:57,060
I've experienced from that guy and again

2200
01:35:01,250 --> 01:34:59,280
most likely he was working on things

2201
01:35:03,229 --> 01:35:01,260
like warrants all day he wasn't

2202
01:35:06,050 --> 01:35:03,239
investigating anything

2203
01:35:08,330 --> 01:35:06,060
but and then we have Anjali former

2204
01:35:10,629 --> 01:35:08,340
Defense intelligence agency we have Lou

2205
01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:10,639
Elizondo former Pentagon

2206
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:12,960
counterintelligence guy

2207
01:35:17,450 --> 01:35:15,360
um they all use their credentials to to

2208
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:17,460
give themselves an air of credibility or

2209
01:35:21,410 --> 01:35:18,960
people use that they were in the

2210
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:21,420
military which I I don't understand how

2211
01:35:25,209 --> 01:35:23,280
this I guess I can understand people

2212
01:35:27,470 --> 01:35:25,219
think it's it's more

2213
01:35:34,729 --> 01:35:27,480
their testimony holds more weight

2214
01:35:39,110 --> 01:35:36,530
yeah I definitely

2215
01:35:42,590 --> 01:35:39,120
and that's again like that's the faulty

2216
01:35:44,450 --> 01:35:42,600
foundation and it keep going Ryan Graves

2217
01:35:46,610 --> 01:35:44,460
you know

2218
01:35:49,689 --> 01:35:46,620
um who's a defense contractor and once

2219
01:35:53,390 --> 01:35:49,699
more but more defense spending you know

2220
01:35:56,570 --> 01:35:53,400
yeah go figure

2221
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:56,580
um even uh just we can take it all the

2222
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:59,040
way back to the astronauts of the 60s

2223
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:00,719
you know

2224
01:36:06,530 --> 01:36:04,320
um the the the the credibility is always

2225
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,540
based on the

2226
01:36:11,209 --> 01:36:08,880
person not the evidence you know and and

2227
01:36:12,050 --> 01:36:11,219
uh that's that's the backwards way and

2228
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:12,060
it's

2229
01:36:15,709 --> 01:36:13,920
um

2230
01:36:17,390 --> 01:36:15,719
you know it's funny I posted something

2231
01:36:19,010 --> 01:36:17,400
about Gordon Cooper

2232
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:19,020
um while we're talking about astronauts

2233
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:21,840
just the other day and you know I'm a

2234
01:36:25,729 --> 01:36:23,280
lot of people may be familiar he was

2235
01:36:28,610 --> 01:36:25,739
someone that was very into the uh UFO

2236
01:36:32,209 --> 01:36:28,620
topic and uh was publicly involved for

2237
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:32,219
for many years and uh he had

2238
01:36:37,129 --> 01:36:35,040
been uh from very early on someone who

2239
01:36:41,390 --> 01:36:37,139
was interested in the Extraterrestrial

2240
01:36:44,570 --> 01:36:41,400
idea and um even as a Young Man uh in

2241
01:36:46,850 --> 01:36:44,580
the late 40s he you know was

2242
01:36:48,169 --> 01:36:46,860
he saw the media and then was caught up

2243
01:36:49,970 --> 01:36:48,179
in them and by the time he was you know

2244
01:36:52,610 --> 01:36:49,980
flying planes and stuff and in the mid

2245
01:36:54,530 --> 01:36:52,620
60s and an astronaut uh he was full

2246
01:36:57,290 --> 01:36:54,540
full-fledged he had been given all kinds

2247
01:37:00,490 --> 01:36:57,300
of stories from individuals uh in the

2248
01:37:03,649 --> 01:37:00,500
military including allegedly seeing uh

2249
01:37:06,770 --> 01:37:03,659
negatives of a landing that happened at

2250
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:06,780
uh Edwards Air Force Base and

2251
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:09,840
he had dismissed Time and Time Again by

2252
01:37:15,110 --> 01:37:12,480
the mid 60s any other types of

2253
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:15,120
explanations for UFOs specifically

2254
01:37:20,830 --> 01:37:16,560
balloons

2255
01:37:24,050 --> 01:37:20,840
um he dismissed them overall as a whole

2256
01:37:26,209 --> 01:37:24,060
and what Neil Armstrong were flying over

2257
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:26,219
the country uh to you know I guess

2258
01:37:31,790 --> 01:37:28,560
either go to Houston or to Florida vice

2259
01:37:35,330 --> 01:37:31,800
versa uh they had a sighting of a flying

2260
01:37:38,270 --> 01:37:35,340
saucer a very saucer-shaped thing that

2261
01:37:40,189 --> 01:37:38,280
they saw and um they went to chase it

2262
01:37:41,390 --> 01:37:40,199
down and they had a hard time doing so

2263
01:37:43,729 --> 01:37:41,400
and he says you know we fired

2264
01:37:46,850 --> 01:37:43,739
afterburners and finally caught up to it

2265
01:37:48,050 --> 01:37:46,860
and we get there and it's a balloon you

2266
01:37:48,910 --> 01:37:48,060
know and

2267
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:48,920
um

2268
01:37:54,890 --> 01:37:52,560
yeah that's right

2269
01:37:57,410 --> 01:37:54,900
all these years of you know balloon

2270
01:38:01,250 --> 01:37:57,420
theories and and here was a balloon that

2271
01:38:03,050 --> 01:38:01,260
the two very seasoned and uh credible uh

2272
01:38:05,450 --> 01:38:03,060
and high-ranking individuals were fooled

2273
01:38:07,610 --> 01:38:05,460
by and just imagine that if that balloon

2274
01:38:09,410 --> 01:38:07,620
had reached too high or had been

2275
01:38:11,570 --> 01:38:09,420
traveling too fast for them to catch up

2276
01:38:13,610 --> 01:38:11,580
to that would have been another credible

2277
01:38:17,090 --> 01:38:13,620
story that we could be talking about and

2278
01:38:19,250 --> 01:38:17,100
arguing about today you know

2279
01:38:21,470 --> 01:38:19,260
this is interesting this Vancouver guy

2280
01:38:23,870 --> 01:38:21,480
by the way Vancouver guy I want you to

2281
01:38:25,790 --> 01:38:23,880
email me I've given you my email address

2282
01:38:28,010 --> 01:38:25,800
several times sounds like you know a lot

2283
01:38:29,810 --> 01:38:28,020
about uh a lot of the topics that we

2284
01:38:32,450 --> 01:38:29,820
talk about here so please contact me

2285
01:38:34,250 --> 01:38:32,460
it's true seekershow gmail.com and

2286
01:38:37,490 --> 01:38:34,260
that's interesting this Ben Hansen from

2287
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:37,500
the fact or fiction TV series he always

2288
01:38:41,870 --> 01:38:39,840
says he's former FBI but Vancouver guy

2289
01:38:45,050 --> 01:38:41,880
looked into it and can't find any proof

2290
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:45,060
that he was actually an FBI agent

2291
01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:46,560
um that's pretty interesting and I can

2292
01:38:50,930 --> 01:38:48,540
look into that one Vancouver guy and I

2293
01:38:53,870 --> 01:38:50,940
like doing stuff like that so you'd be

2294
01:38:57,649 --> 01:38:53,880
surprised what chatty Kathy's on the

2295
01:39:00,110 --> 01:38:57,659
phone at the FBI uh will tell you you

2296
01:39:02,750 --> 01:39:00,120
know you just called them I'm here I'm

2297
01:39:04,970 --> 01:39:02,760
trying to verify employment you know

2298
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:04,980
it's amazing what uh you what

2299
01:39:07,790 --> 01:39:06,239
information you could get just by

2300
01:39:09,350 --> 01:39:07,800
picking up the phone most people won't

2301
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:09,360
do that

2302
01:39:13,490 --> 01:39:12,000
well try for uh Jim Sammy then while

2303
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:13,500
you're at it people have tried to verify

2304
01:39:19,550 --> 01:39:16,080
that he's a CIA employee for 25 years

2305
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:19,560
and have come up empty too so I once I

2306
01:39:24,110 --> 01:39:21,840
once saw on the on the cia's website

2307
01:39:25,910 --> 01:39:24,120
that there is some way or form that you

2308
01:39:29,209 --> 01:39:25,920
can verify employment and I thought

2309
01:39:31,550 --> 01:39:29,219
that's weird aren't those guys all like

2310
01:39:33,770 --> 01:39:31,560
secret agents why would you say yeah

2311
01:39:36,410 --> 01:39:33,780
he's a secret agent here you can verify

2312
01:39:38,510 --> 01:39:36,420
his employment it's Bizarro land

2313
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:38,520
but yeah I didn't know that about

2314
01:39:43,550 --> 01:39:41,280
semivan I thought that there was uh it

2315
01:39:45,890 --> 01:39:43,560
had been clearly established but who

2316
01:39:47,930 --> 01:39:45,900
knows so many of these people claim to

2317
01:39:49,970 --> 01:39:47,940
be working for certain agencies and then

2318
01:39:52,430 --> 01:39:49,980
we turns out they never were or like Bob

2319
01:39:54,850 --> 01:39:52,440
Lazar oh I was a former Governor they

2320
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:54,860
always describe him as former government

2321
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:57,600
scientists and it drives me crazy

2322
01:40:02,090 --> 01:40:00,239
because there's no actual evidence or

2323
01:40:05,870 --> 01:40:02,100
proof that he was either a government

2324
01:40:07,610 --> 01:40:05,880
employee or a scientist but people every

2325
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:07,620
article you see tons of Articles Bob

2326
01:40:12,410 --> 01:40:11,040
Lazar former government scientist

2327
01:40:19,010 --> 01:40:12,420
nobody

2328
01:40:23,330 --> 01:40:21,110
yeah I mean

2329
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:23,340
for I literally I think he started what

2330
01:40:29,090 --> 01:40:26,159
like four companies if you include ttsa

2331
01:40:32,030 --> 01:40:29,100
since 2017. they pretty much all went

2332
01:40:34,010 --> 01:40:32,040
defunct but you know the guy was really

2333
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:34,020
trying to generate profit in all kinds

2334
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:35,520
of avenues

2335
01:40:40,129 --> 01:40:37,679
um just you know obviously they didn't

2336
01:40:43,790 --> 01:40:40,139
uh work out too well

2337
01:40:47,149 --> 01:40:43,800
um but you know the intention was there

2338
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:47,159
um and because that can't be denied

2339
01:40:50,810 --> 01:40:49,199
yeah I think you're wrong Walter Bosley

2340
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:50,820
I think they can tell you if they were

2341
01:40:54,830 --> 01:40:53,280
employees but that's it they can verify

2342
01:40:56,570 --> 01:40:54,840
employment but that's it but Walter

2343
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:56,580
Bosley was uh

2344
01:41:00,110 --> 01:40:58,080
Air Force office of special

2345
01:41:02,090 --> 01:41:00,120
investigations and he says some agencies

2346
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:02,100
will neither confirm nor deny employment

2347
01:41:06,110 --> 01:41:04,560
over the phone FBI is one so what do I

2348
01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:06,120
got to do write a letter

2349
01:41:10,250 --> 01:41:08,159
help me Walter Bosley you're my only

2350
01:41:11,930 --> 01:41:10,260
hope and by the way Walter Bosley's got

2351
01:41:14,570 --> 01:41:11,940
to come back too because I get people

2352
01:41:17,330 --> 01:41:14,580
message me all the time you can come and

2353
01:41:18,970 --> 01:41:17,340
correct my uh incorrect assessment of

2354
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:18,980
many different things

2355
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:22,560
Walter Bosley's a fun guy so what what

2356
01:41:26,689 --> 01:41:24,239
are you up to next you're going to keep

2357
01:41:28,129 --> 01:41:26,699
looking into this or you know or I've

2358
01:41:29,390 --> 01:41:28,139
already kind of asked you that so you're

2359
01:41:32,330 --> 01:41:29,400
going to stick with some of this stuff

2360
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:32,340
but is there anything new and have you

2361
01:41:37,129 --> 01:41:34,560
shed any light on your own experience

2362
01:41:39,050 --> 01:41:37,139
for those unaware you saw like a black

2363
01:41:41,450 --> 01:41:39,060
triangle and that's what got you down

2364
01:41:43,729 --> 01:41:41,460
the whole rabbit hole right have you dug

2365
01:41:45,470 --> 01:41:43,739
deeper into that and and come up with

2366
01:41:48,910 --> 01:41:45,480
any explanation for what your own

2367
01:41:55,310 --> 01:41:53,090
no not any further I guess than uh in in

2368
01:41:58,370 --> 01:41:55,320
recent months or anything like that but

2369
01:42:01,790 --> 01:41:58,380
you know it's I don't know that I ever

2370
01:42:04,669 --> 01:42:01,800
expect to get a definitive answer you

2371
01:42:06,109 --> 01:42:04,679
know maybe one day many years from now

2372
01:42:07,490 --> 01:42:06,119
but

2373
01:42:09,050 --> 01:42:07,500
um unfortunately it's just not the way

2374
01:42:10,370 --> 01:42:09,060
that things go and you know we can

2375
01:42:13,070 --> 01:42:10,380
really stretch that out to the

2376
01:42:14,570 --> 01:42:13,080
disclosure or conversation uh it's just

2377
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:14,580
not

2378
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:17,520
the way it goes it's very old

2379
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:20,880
um 60 70 80 years is routinely denied

2380
01:42:25,250 --> 01:42:22,800
release and it really has nothing to do

2381
01:42:27,050 --> 01:42:25,260
with the scandalous information but just

2382
01:42:31,370 --> 01:42:27,060
really mundane things that would mean

2383
01:42:34,370 --> 01:42:31,380
nothing to us like methods and uh and

2384
01:42:36,649 --> 01:42:34,380
collection methods and uh Ways and Means

2385
01:42:38,390 --> 01:42:36,659
and stuff and it just makes it tough

2386
01:42:40,430 --> 01:42:38,400
because the government's not going to

2387
01:42:43,070 --> 01:42:40,440
release anything unless it absolutely

2388
01:42:44,870 --> 01:42:43,080
has to or wants to you know they're not

2389
01:42:46,970 --> 01:42:44,880
just going to volunteer information even

2390
01:42:48,649 --> 01:42:46,980
just for the hell of it it just doesn't

2391
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:48,659
happen

2392
01:42:55,070 --> 01:42:52,080
from that way uh yes uh triangles I did

2393
01:42:57,649 --> 01:42:55,080
see a triangle back in 1997 uh when I

2394
01:42:59,450 --> 01:42:57,659
was a kid I was floating about 100 feet

2395
01:43:01,250 --> 01:42:59,460
off the ground

2396
01:43:03,470 --> 01:43:01,260
um very slowly at like a walking pace

2397
01:43:05,570 --> 01:43:03,480
maybe less than five miles an hour and

2398
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:05,580
that is what got me into the topic and

2399
01:43:09,709 --> 01:43:06,719
although I can't say that I found

2400
01:43:12,649 --> 01:43:09,719
anything concrete certainly

2401
01:43:15,229 --> 01:43:12,659
um my mind has changed as I've done my

2402
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:15,239
research from on that night assuming

2403
01:43:20,330 --> 01:43:17,760
that I was seeing some type of possibly

2404
01:43:23,149 --> 01:43:20,340
back engineered alien craft being flown

2405
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:23,159
by human beings maybe

2406
01:43:29,330 --> 01:43:26,639
um to essentially thinking

2407
01:43:31,550 --> 01:43:29,340
that probably that uh at the original

2408
01:43:33,050 --> 01:43:31,560
you know a blimp triangle triangle

2409
01:43:35,330 --> 01:43:33,060
shaped blimp

2410
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:35,340
um and I've certainly come across all

2411
01:43:39,410 --> 01:43:37,199
kinds of interesting patents and white

2412
01:43:42,169 --> 01:43:39,420
papers that suggest that such things

2413
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:42,179
have been designed discussed possibly

2414
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:43,679
well certainly

2415
01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:46,800
um put into uh the error

2416
01:43:50,510 --> 01:43:48,719
um none specifically that look like

2417
01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:50,520
black triangles that have been reported

2418
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:53,940
since you know the early 80s

2419
01:43:58,490 --> 01:43:56,880
um but we can speculate a little further

2420
01:44:00,649 --> 01:43:58,500
and even if we just talk specifically

2421
01:44:03,649 --> 01:44:00,659
there's a guy

2422
01:44:05,810 --> 01:44:03,659
John Powell and an aerospace company

2423
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:05,820
called JP Aerospace and he's on Twitter

2424
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,679
and he shares really awesome videos

2425
01:44:12,709 --> 01:44:09,600
about all their balloon lifts that they

2426
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:12,719
do and he's also does uh uh balloon

2427
01:44:16,250 --> 01:44:14,639
Rockets I would like that I would like

2428
01:44:19,310 --> 01:44:16,260
that kind of I like that kind of strange

2429
01:44:21,530 --> 01:44:19,320
science and weirdness and and it is

2430
01:44:23,390 --> 01:44:21,540
interesting that there's so many and the

2431
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:23,400
other thing is people always have to for

2432
01:44:27,770 --> 01:44:25,440
don't forget there's trillions of

2433
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:27,780
dollars going into the black hole of

2434
01:44:31,070 --> 01:44:30,000
black budget projects so who knows what

2435
01:44:32,570 --> 01:44:31,080
they have

2436
01:44:34,669 --> 01:44:32,580
right

2437
01:44:36,830 --> 01:44:34,679
and he

2438
01:44:38,510 --> 01:44:36,840
he even said this guy

2439
01:44:41,090 --> 01:44:38,520
um you know he's been designing

2440
01:44:43,550 --> 01:44:41,100
dirigibles uh out in the desert and

2441
01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:43,560
flying them huge ones huge ones some of

2442
01:44:47,810 --> 01:44:45,600
them hundreds of feet long at these

2443
01:44:49,550 --> 01:44:47,820
triangular shaped blimps you know uh

2444
01:44:51,470 --> 01:44:49,560
he's been doing it since the 90s he's

2445
01:44:54,410 --> 01:44:51,480
been shooting rockets off of balloons

2446
01:44:57,709 --> 01:44:54,420
out there since the 90s what is his name

2447
01:45:00,770 --> 01:44:57,719
or Twitter again I'm sorry yeah uh his

2448
01:45:03,050 --> 01:45:00,780
name's John Powell and uh in one second

2449
01:45:04,370 --> 01:45:03,060
I can give you oh you can handle yeah

2450
01:45:06,530 --> 01:45:04,380
you could just send it to me on Twitter

2451
01:45:08,270 --> 01:45:06,540
if you want it's it's not that important

2452
01:45:10,669 --> 01:45:08,280
but I definitely want to look at that I

2453
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:10,679
love stuff like that my father in case I

2454
01:45:17,390 --> 01:45:13,520
you didn't know he he was a huge

2455
01:45:21,530 --> 01:45:17,400
aviation history buff and he loved

2456
01:45:23,689 --> 01:45:21,540
blimps and dirigibles and weird like my

2457
01:45:26,510 --> 01:45:23,699
dad has I still have he's got all these

2458
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:26,520
uh books that have like hybrids that are

2459
01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:29,040
like half airplane half blimp or

2460
01:45:34,129 --> 01:45:32,400
dirigible you know they experi and all

2461
01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:34,139
these weird experiments that they did

2462
01:45:39,709 --> 01:45:36,960
with Hydra gin or helium or other gases

2463
01:45:41,689 --> 01:45:39,719
that they would inject into the airplane

2464
01:45:44,570 --> 01:45:41,699
it looked like an airframe but it was

2465
01:45:46,129 --> 01:45:44,580
really like 50 percent lighter than it

2466
01:45:48,050 --> 01:45:46,139
was supposed to be because of the

2467
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:48,060
injection and these capsules and all

2468
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:49,679
this weird stuff my Dad loved that stuff

2469
01:45:54,290 --> 01:45:52,560
and so do I I love someday I'm going to

2470
01:46:01,310 --> 01:45:54,300
build one

2471
01:46:06,649 --> 01:46:03,530
that's the expensive part

2472
01:46:09,709 --> 01:46:06,659
where's the 115 Steve where's it at I

2473
01:46:12,050 --> 01:46:09,719
don't have any of that I do have I I do

2474
01:46:13,970 --> 01:46:12,060
have a lot of weird chemicals and [\h__\h]

2475
01:46:16,010 --> 01:46:13,980
though like I always worry a little bit

2476
01:46:17,330 --> 01:46:16,020
when I'm ordering this stuff because you

2477
01:46:19,310 --> 01:46:17,340
don't know you know you're going to be

2478
01:46:21,649 --> 01:46:19,320
I'm probably on a watch list I remember

2479
01:46:23,930 --> 01:46:21,659
I tried to get a fuse cord

2480
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:23,940
and I didn't know that fuse Court had

2481
01:46:28,609 --> 01:46:25,920
become like really one of those hot

2482
01:46:30,109 --> 01:46:28,619
button things you can't just go by fuse

2483
01:46:32,450 --> 01:46:30,119
cord now because they're worried about

2484
01:46:37,129 --> 01:46:32,460
people using it for nefarious purposes

2485
01:46:39,169 --> 01:46:37,139
not model rockets you know and I yeah I

2486
01:46:40,250 --> 01:46:39,179
got a lot of chemicals and weirdness in

2487
01:46:42,470 --> 01:46:40,260
there

2488
01:46:44,390 --> 01:46:42,480
you know one thing I wanted to say real

2489
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:44,400
quick about that guy John Powell and his

2490
01:46:48,649 --> 01:46:46,320
Aerospace company again he's been

2491
01:46:50,689 --> 01:46:48,659
designing triangular blimps one of many

2492
01:46:53,209 --> 01:46:50,699
many people and patents that are out

2493
01:46:57,169 --> 01:46:53,219
there and he openly admits he says you

2494
01:46:58,910 --> 01:46:57,179
know my patent could be out there being

2495
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:58,920
put to use in ways that I don't know

2496
01:47:02,629 --> 01:47:00,719
about

2497
01:47:04,850 --> 01:47:02,639
oh you know under leave the national

2498
01:47:07,850 --> 01:47:04,860
security or whatever uh it's it's

2499
01:47:10,910 --> 01:47:07,860
completely possible you know and um it's

2500
01:47:13,430 --> 01:47:10,920
just again it's important to hold these

2501
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:13,440
possibilities open

2502
01:47:17,330 --> 01:47:14,400
um

2503
01:47:19,790 --> 01:47:17,340
a lot of people you know I think and

2504
01:47:21,890 --> 01:47:19,800
again uh David Marler has done obviously

2505
01:47:25,010 --> 01:47:21,900
he's probably the biggest name when it

2506
01:47:26,990 --> 01:47:25,020
comes to triangles and uh the study of

2507
01:47:30,109 --> 01:47:27,000
them

2508
01:47:32,030 --> 01:47:30,119
um but it's interesting because even he

2509
01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:32,040
says that

2510
01:47:37,430 --> 01:47:33,920
foreign

2511
01:47:40,250 --> 01:47:37,440
you know man-made craft and blimps being

2512
01:47:42,229 --> 01:47:40,260
responsible for black triangles if but

2513
01:47:45,530 --> 01:47:42,239
for one thing if it weren't for them

2514
01:47:48,290 --> 01:47:45,540
suddenly taking off at supersonic speeds

2515
01:47:50,510 --> 01:47:48,300
instantly you know and again

2516
01:47:52,010 --> 01:47:50,520
that hasn't been evidenced those are

2517
01:47:52,850 --> 01:47:52,020
just claims

2518
01:47:55,129 --> 01:47:52,860
um

2519
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:55,139
and that is relative you know somebody

2520
01:47:59,689 --> 01:47:57,360
might see something happen quickly and

2521
01:48:01,550 --> 01:47:59,699
embellish it and I just it's very

2522
01:48:03,830 --> 01:48:01,560
important to just just note that there

2523
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:03,840
there are these issues and I I like a

2524
01:48:07,729 --> 01:48:05,520
lot of the work that uh David Marler

2525
01:48:10,550 --> 01:48:07,739
does and it's really uh I've seen some

2526
01:48:15,649 --> 01:48:10,560
of that focused really interesting stuff

2527
01:48:20,090 --> 01:48:17,510
um but again uh there's there's there's

2528
01:48:21,890 --> 01:48:20,100
some issues and I think that

2529
01:48:25,010 --> 01:48:21,900
I think that it's important when looking

2530
01:48:27,410 --> 01:48:25,020
at them just to say that you know these

2531
01:48:30,169 --> 01:48:27,420
things are usually seen around military

2532
01:48:31,250 --> 01:48:30,179
areas and a lot of times they're seeing

2533
01:48:36,350 --> 01:48:31,260
around

2534
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:36,360
command like the people that fly KC

2535
01:48:40,850 --> 01:48:38,400
tankers and stuff like that and that

2536
01:48:42,590 --> 01:48:40,860
could just be coincidence as well but

2537
01:48:45,470 --> 01:48:42,600
yeah the thing that the thing that I saw

2538
01:48:48,470 --> 01:48:45,480
when I was a child was within a few

2539
01:48:50,030 --> 01:48:48,480
miles of McGuire Air Force Base but it

2540
01:48:53,050 --> 01:48:50,040
didn't make any sense to me that it

2541
01:48:55,970 --> 01:48:53,060
could be like a military craft because

2542
01:48:58,010 --> 01:48:55,980
Maguire mostly is logistics and support

2543
01:49:00,590 --> 01:48:58,020
like during the Gulf War they flew all

2544
01:49:02,750 --> 01:49:00,600
those c-130s with all the people and the

2545
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:02,760
equipment and the food and the

2546
01:49:10,129 --> 01:49:07,679
ammunition so but the more time goes on

2547
01:49:12,830 --> 01:49:10,139
the more I think how do I know it wasn't

2548
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:12,840
some experimental weird aircraft that I

2549
01:49:17,689 --> 01:49:14,159
saw that I mistook for something

2550
01:49:19,970 --> 01:49:17,699
otherworldly you know uh and and again

2551
01:49:22,850 --> 01:49:19,980
just like you said it was Miles

2552
01:49:25,729 --> 01:49:22,860
literally like three miles

2553
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:25,739
there's McGuire all the landing pad

2554
01:49:31,490 --> 01:49:28,800
strips all the you know where all the

2555
01:49:33,770 --> 01:49:31,500
airplanes land and then a big patch of

2556
01:49:37,850 --> 01:49:33,780
woods where I had my sighting right next

2557
01:49:39,649 --> 01:49:37,860
to it so yeah and and it happens I hear

2558
01:49:41,810 --> 01:49:39,659
it all the time from people like was

2559
01:49:43,970 --> 01:49:41,820
yours anywhere near a military

2560
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:43,980
installation

2561
01:49:49,010 --> 01:49:46,320
you know and it's funny my mine again

2562
01:49:51,410 --> 01:49:49,020
didn't happen all that far from McGuire

2563
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:51,420
and there's another base down in uh

2564
01:49:56,930 --> 01:49:54,719
Delaware and both of these bases are um

2565
01:49:59,689 --> 01:49:56,940
air Mobility command bases there's only

2566
01:50:02,750 --> 01:49:59,699
12 of them in the whole country you know

2567
01:50:05,149 --> 01:50:02,760
to put that into perspective

2568
01:50:07,250 --> 01:50:05,159
and a lot of times do an interesting

2569
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:07,260
study that nids did Robert Bigelow's

2570
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:10,320
nids back in the early 2000s after the

2571
01:50:15,169 --> 01:50:13,440
uh Illinois sightings and they took all

2572
01:50:19,010 --> 01:50:15,179
kinds of things into account with this

2573
01:50:21,590 --> 01:50:19,020
study including locations uh sizes

2574
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:21,600
um all kinds of uh cross uh

2575
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:24,239
cross-referencing of information and at

2576
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:25,679
the end of it they came to the

2577
01:50:30,109 --> 01:50:27,840
conclusion that these were blimps that

2578
01:50:32,209 --> 01:50:30,119
were being utilized by the error

2579
01:50:34,570 --> 01:50:32,219
Mobility uh command for some type of

2580
01:50:38,750 --> 01:50:34,580
reasons and I think they said using a

2581
01:50:41,270 --> 01:50:38,760
electrostatic motor and again I wanted

2582
01:50:44,090 --> 01:50:41,280
to suggest to everybody when they listen

2583
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:44,100
to this uh this study but it was a very

2584
01:50:48,649 --> 01:50:45,840
interesting study that was

2585
01:50:50,750 --> 01:50:48,659
um done very well uh unfortunately just

2586
01:50:53,390 --> 01:50:50,760
two years later they retracted that

2587
01:50:55,550 --> 01:50:53,400
study and that conclusion and mid uh

2588
01:50:57,770 --> 01:50:55,560
nids disbanded that year and that never

2589
01:50:59,689 --> 01:50:57,780
gave any reason as to why they were

2590
01:51:02,810 --> 01:50:59,699
abandoning that conclusion and I found

2591
01:51:05,209 --> 01:51:02,820
that interesting because uh it was a

2592
01:51:06,590 --> 01:51:05,219
very uh grounded explanation with a lot

2593
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:06,600
of really good work that went into it

2594
01:51:11,149 --> 01:51:09,360
but even to get even further you know

2595
01:51:12,770 --> 01:51:11,159
here in New Jersey Pennsylvania you're

2596
01:51:15,890 --> 01:51:12,780
talking about

2597
01:51:18,649 --> 01:51:15,900
about Maguire Air from Jersey uh the

2598
01:51:21,770 --> 01:51:18,659
Arion company right in Trenton New

2599
01:51:25,090 --> 01:51:21,780
Jersey long time makers of

2600
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:25,100
lighter than aircraft in fact they had a

2601
01:51:30,590 --> 01:51:27,840
triangular blimp patent that goes back

2602
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:30,600
to the 70s where are they where are they

2603
01:51:35,689 --> 01:51:32,639
located Arion company

2604
01:51:37,609 --> 01:51:35,699
uh Princeton Princeton New Jersey yeah

2605
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:37,619
yeah that's that's a few miles from

2606
01:51:42,470 --> 01:51:40,560
where where I was and yeah and you know

2607
01:51:44,750 --> 01:51:42,480
David Warner

2608
01:51:47,229 --> 01:51:44,760
just real quick dude

2609
01:51:49,910 --> 01:51:47,239
David Marler uh pot about the Illinois

2610
01:51:52,790 --> 01:51:49,920
sightings uh that happened and again you

2611
01:51:55,250 --> 01:51:52,800
know they were uh not too far and um you

2612
01:51:57,590 --> 01:51:55,260
know Scott Air Force Base again is air

2613
01:51:59,870 --> 01:51:57,600
Mobility command uh that's I believe the

2614
01:52:01,910 --> 01:51:59,880
headquarters for air Mobility command so

2615
01:52:04,850 --> 01:52:01,920
you know take it with a grain of salt

2616
01:52:07,310 --> 01:52:04,860
but um I I think it's it's certainly

2617
01:52:11,689 --> 01:52:07,320
safe to suggest that these are most

2618
01:52:13,970 --> 01:52:11,699
likely uh rigid triangular blimps

2619
01:52:18,770 --> 01:52:13,980
that are being seen now why they're

2620
01:52:21,410 --> 01:52:18,780
being flown over populated areas that's

2621
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:21,420
that's a really good question I've often

2622
01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:23,040
thought they might be uh they might be

2623
01:52:26,990 --> 01:52:24,960
surveillance platforms

2624
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:27,000
because you could put a you could park a

2625
01:52:32,290 --> 01:52:29,520
blimp over a city and see whatever you

2626
01:52:35,090 --> 01:52:32,300
want to see or town or you know

2627
01:52:37,370 --> 01:52:35,100
yeah and that's certainly

2628
01:52:40,430 --> 01:52:37,380
um you know obviously today satellite

2629
01:52:42,830 --> 01:52:40,440
technology is probably really good I

2630
01:52:43,910 --> 01:52:42,840
don't know what it was like say in the

2631
01:52:45,590 --> 01:52:43,920
80s

2632
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:45,600
um allegedly it was pretty good I don't

2633
01:52:48,649 --> 01:52:47,520
know that they would need I don't you

2634
01:52:50,030 --> 01:52:48,659
know I don't know it's really good I

2635
01:52:52,370 --> 01:52:50,040
don't know what that they would need

2636
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:52,380
surveillance like that but it's

2637
01:52:57,470 --> 01:52:54,719
certainly possible

2638
01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:57,480
could be um vintage but certainly

2639
01:53:02,030 --> 01:53:00,000
something that floats very slow and very

2640
01:53:05,330 --> 01:53:02,040
low is going to be completely invisible

2641
01:53:07,550 --> 01:53:05,340
to radar that's one important thing

2642
01:53:09,290 --> 01:53:07,560
um but there's all kinds of

2643
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:09,300
possibilities that we could speculate

2644
01:53:14,270 --> 01:53:11,520
and maybe these things are you know

2645
01:53:15,770 --> 01:53:14,280
remotely controlled and possibly when

2646
01:53:17,629 --> 01:53:15,780
they come down over

2647
01:53:21,169 --> 01:53:17,639
um large areas they weren't meant to

2648
01:53:23,390 --> 01:53:21,179
come down over that spot possibly well

2649
01:53:26,030 --> 01:53:23,400
don't you think all kinds of interesting

2650
01:53:28,149 --> 01:53:26,040
don't you think it would be a good

2651
01:53:32,450 --> 01:53:28,159
platform like let's say for example

2652
01:53:35,410 --> 01:53:32,460
during uh the riots in a city like a

2653
01:53:39,709 --> 01:53:35,420
city is rioting there's fires and and

2654
01:53:42,649 --> 01:53:39,719
looters and rioters I think uh lighter

2655
01:53:45,490 --> 01:53:42,659
than aircrafts hovering above the city

2656
01:53:48,229 --> 01:53:45,500
could be great especially with telephoto

2657
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:48,239
advances in telephoto cameras they could

2658
01:53:51,950 --> 01:53:50,159
probably see all over the whole city if

2659
01:53:54,169 --> 01:53:51,960
you park that thing in the middle of a

2660
01:53:56,270 --> 01:53:54,179
city right above it they could see

2661
01:53:58,850 --> 01:53:56,280
everything see the hot spots where are

2662
01:54:02,570 --> 01:53:58,860
the looters now where were they you know

2663
01:54:05,270 --> 01:54:02,580
what areas do we need to send police and

2664
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:05,280
you know law enforcement into I think

2665
01:54:08,450 --> 01:54:07,199
that makes a lot of sense to me because

2666
01:54:11,149 --> 01:54:08,460
what else are you going to put that's

2667
01:54:13,370 --> 01:54:11,159
going to the satellite will go over the

2668
01:54:15,770 --> 01:54:13,380
city so you have those windows where you

2669
01:54:17,570 --> 01:54:15,780
can you can look from satellite but only

2670
01:54:20,870 --> 01:54:17,580
for a certain amount of time and then it

2671
01:54:22,189 --> 01:54:20,880
goes on you know but but a blimper and

2672
01:54:24,530 --> 01:54:22,199
there is something called a stealth

2673
01:54:26,750 --> 01:54:24,540
blimps look those up that's crazy they

2674
01:54:29,350 --> 01:54:26,760
have stealth blimps or they're trying to

2675
01:54:31,490 --> 01:54:29,360
develop those

2676
01:54:33,530 --> 01:54:31,500
well and that's you know when we talk

2677
01:54:35,090 --> 01:54:33,540
about the uh the Arion company that you

2678
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:35,100
know stealth blip that's you know what

2679
01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:41,810
yeah certain uh there's all kinds of uh

2680
01:54:44,990 --> 01:54:43,199
possibilities that we could level for

2681
01:54:47,689 --> 01:54:45,000
that and you know you talk you bring up

2682
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:47,699
a lot of great points and certainly

2683
01:54:52,370 --> 01:54:50,400
um balloons can stay in one spot you

2684
01:54:54,530 --> 01:54:52,380
know they can stay in one spot high in

2685
01:54:57,050 --> 01:54:54,540
the air uh without moving if we wanted

2686
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:57,060
to get good um good analysis of a

2687
01:55:02,209 --> 01:54:59,760
certain area uh but just it just goes to

2688
01:55:03,709 --> 01:55:02,219
say that in today in the jet age I think

2689
01:55:06,410 --> 01:55:03,719
people try and properly think of

2690
01:55:08,930 --> 01:55:06,420
balloons and blimps as being passe or

2691
01:55:11,330 --> 01:55:08,940
probably not really too integral to

2692
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:11,340
today's Jet age world but yeah they're

2693
01:55:15,050 --> 01:55:13,199
not considered high tech but they have

2694
01:55:17,510 --> 01:55:15,060
their use they really have some great

2695
01:55:20,629 --> 01:55:17,520
uses you know they're used

2696
01:55:21,709 --> 01:55:20,639
in all kinds of ways uh today still yeah

2697
01:55:23,450 --> 01:55:21,719
yeah

2698
01:55:26,149 --> 01:55:23,460
well I want to thank you for coming here

2699
01:55:28,370 --> 01:55:26,159
we're running out the clock uh I hope

2700
01:55:30,169 --> 01:55:28,380
that you will come back and update me

2701
01:55:32,090 --> 01:55:30,179
we'll give it some time see maybe you'll

2702
01:55:34,129 --> 01:55:32,100
look into some new stuff and and have

2703
01:55:37,430 --> 01:55:34,139
some new interesting insights to share

2704
01:55:39,470 --> 01:55:37,440
always good time thanks for doing this

2705
01:55:41,689 --> 01:55:39,480
yeah it's a pleasure man I hope you want

2706
01:55:43,490 --> 01:55:41,699
to plug like people can follow you on on

2707
01:55:48,410 --> 01:55:43,500
your Twitter well he has it right there

2708
01:55:50,149 --> 01:55:48,420
at UAP or sap you you're not actively uh

2709
01:55:53,450 --> 01:55:50,159
promoting anything that you're selling

2710
01:55:55,609 --> 01:55:53,460
you're just an interested party right

2711
01:55:57,709 --> 01:55:55,619
like you don't have a book or a website

2712
01:56:00,109 --> 01:55:57,719
or a you know course that you're going

2713
01:56:02,330 --> 01:56:00,119
to sell people or anything

2714
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:02,340
no just Goodwill man that's all I'm

2715
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:03,840
selling for that all right my favorite

2716
01:56:06,770 --> 01:56:05,520
kind of guest the guy that's not selling

2717
01:56:09,470 --> 01:56:06,780
anything he doesn't even need a plug

2718
01:56:11,330 --> 01:56:09,480
fellas look at that well thanks you have

2719
01:56:13,310 --> 01:56:11,340
a great evening I appreciate you being

2720
01:56:15,229 --> 01:56:13,320
here once again

2721
01:56:17,149 --> 01:56:15,239
yeah thanks again for having me man it's

2722
01:56:19,070 --> 01:56:17,159
always a blast uh even when we just wing

2723
01:56:21,050 --> 01:56:19,080
it I have a great a great time well we

2724
01:56:23,950 --> 01:56:21,060
did tonight and it came out great so I

2725
01:56:27,050 --> 01:56:23,960
appreciate you thank you

2726
01:56:29,930 --> 01:56:27,060
all right bye-bye well friends there we

2727
01:56:33,470 --> 01:56:29,940
go what a what a another one in the

2728
01:56:36,830 --> 01:56:33,480
books here by the way uh just wanted to

2729
01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:36,840
thank DB David for your kind of generous

2730
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:39,840
five dollar PayPal thank you uh for your

2731
01:56:44,990 --> 01:56:42,239
kindness generosity and support of the

2732
01:56:48,410 --> 01:56:45,000
show Ron from cosmic neighbors sold sent

2733
01:56:51,050 --> 01:56:48,420
me there is a a forum on the cia's

2734
01:56:53,570 --> 01:56:51,060
website look at this this is interesting

2735
01:56:56,530 --> 01:56:53,580
you can uh

2736
01:56:59,629 --> 01:56:56,540
you can

2737
01:57:00,649 --> 01:56:59,639
verify the employment of someone in the

2738
01:57:04,129 --> 01:57:00,659
CIA

2739
01:57:06,770 --> 01:57:04,139
you can request by fax request by mail

2740
01:57:08,570 --> 01:57:06,780
look at that employment verification so

2741
01:57:12,250 --> 01:57:08,580
you can find out if somebody is a CIA

2742
01:57:14,930 --> 01:57:12,260
spook uh very very interesting and then

2743
01:57:16,430 --> 01:57:14,940
also I wanted to mention

2744
01:57:18,890 --> 01:57:16,440
um

2745
01:57:21,950 --> 01:57:18,900
some people have asked me about the

2746
01:57:25,490 --> 01:57:21,960
rumble Channel I had stated I said that

2747
01:57:27,649 --> 01:57:25,500
we are having a rumble channel for truth

2748
01:57:29,990 --> 01:57:27,659
Seekers and it will be a total

2749
01:57:33,229 --> 01:57:30,000
true Seekers mirror what do I mean by

2750
01:57:38,149 --> 01:57:33,239
that I mean every single truth Seeker

2751
01:57:41,870 --> 01:57:38,159
show all 750 of them or so or 740 this

2752
01:57:44,089 --> 01:57:41,880
would be 742 will be available on Rumble

2753
01:57:47,689 --> 01:57:44,099
let me share my screen and show you that

2754
01:57:50,570 --> 01:57:47,699
uh very very interesting but people are

2755
01:57:53,450 --> 01:57:50,580
saying well it only goes so far back yes

2756
01:57:56,990 --> 01:57:53,460
because we're it's going to take weeks

2757
01:58:01,010 --> 01:57:57,000
or or a month to upload all 740 episodes

2758
01:58:04,689 --> 01:58:01,020
to rumble but the latest 10 or or 15 are

2759
01:58:09,229 --> 01:58:04,699
there so if you're interested in

2760
01:58:12,649 --> 01:58:09,239
watching us on all platforms or you like

2761
01:58:15,050 --> 01:58:12,659
Rumble there you go and every day a few

2762
01:58:17,270 --> 01:58:15,060
more of those episodes will be added

2763
01:58:19,010 --> 01:58:17,280
some days they'll be five or ten some

2764
01:58:21,410 --> 01:58:19,020
days they'll be three I don't know how

2765
01:58:25,129 --> 01:58:21,420
long it's going to take but there will

2766
01:58:27,470 --> 01:58:25,139
be a complete and total uh mirror for uh

2767
01:58:29,750 --> 01:58:27,480
through Seekers very very soon and we

2768
01:58:31,850 --> 01:58:29,760
are already have a mirror on Odyssey but

2769
01:58:34,189 --> 01:58:31,860
I'm aware that there's some technical

2770
01:58:36,649 --> 01:58:34,199
issues with that Odyssey starts and

2771
01:58:38,750 --> 01:58:36,659
stops the sync with YouTube so there may

2772
01:58:41,209 --> 01:58:38,760
be missing episodes I don't know what

2773
01:58:42,470 --> 01:58:41,219
we're going to do about that but we'll

2774
01:58:44,570 --> 01:58:42,480
see

2775
01:58:46,669 --> 01:58:44,580
um and we want to thank UFO John Doe for

2776
01:58:48,709 --> 01:58:46,679
crying generous 4.99 Stephen if all the

2777
01:58:49,910 --> 01:58:48,719
UFO fakery was real which story among

2778
01:58:51,950 --> 01:58:49,920
all the others would you have liked to

2779
01:58:55,129 --> 01:58:51,960
have witnessed or been apart uh probably

2780
01:58:58,010 --> 01:58:55,139
Bob Lazar I grew up with that story

2781
01:59:00,410 --> 01:58:58,020
um and Bob lazar's story was

2782
01:59:02,870 --> 01:59:00,420
confirmation to me that what I had seen

2783
01:59:05,030 --> 01:59:02,880
was aliens and from another world I was

2784
01:59:07,490 --> 01:59:05,040
convinced after Bob Lazar story broke

2785
01:59:10,430 --> 01:59:07,500
when I was a child that what I saw was

2786
01:59:12,950 --> 01:59:10,440
an alien Flying Saucer it was round it

2787
01:59:15,290 --> 01:59:12,960
was all metal gray

2788
01:59:17,510 --> 01:59:15,300
um I was convinced that Bob Lazar was

2789
01:59:20,270 --> 01:59:17,520
the confirmation of what I already

2790
01:59:22,310 --> 01:59:20,280
thought I it was I already thought it

2791
01:59:24,350 --> 01:59:22,320
was aliens I guess

2792
01:59:26,810 --> 01:59:24,360
but when Bob was our story came out I

2793
01:59:30,530 --> 01:59:26,820
went that's it they were test flying one

2794
01:59:32,870 --> 01:59:30,540
of the captured UFOs or whatever

2795
01:59:34,970 --> 01:59:32,880
um always wanted to believe him but uh

2796
01:59:39,169 --> 01:59:34,980
the deeper you dig into Bob Lazar the

2797
01:59:41,089 --> 01:59:39,179
more lies you find and uh you know

2798
01:59:43,790 --> 01:59:41,099
Walter Bosley reminding us that you

2799
01:59:46,669 --> 01:59:43,800
cannot verify uh undercover Clandestine

2800
01:59:49,790 --> 01:59:46,679
Service nor operational contractors uh

2801
01:59:51,950 --> 01:59:49,800
well thank you for that we we appreciate

2802
01:59:54,950 --> 01:59:51,960
that you have the knowledge and

2803
01:59:58,070 --> 01:59:54,960
experience to let us know what it is we

2804
01:59:59,930 --> 01:59:58,080
can actually verify uh it's just it's

2805
02:00:02,270 --> 01:59:59,940
just weird to me that they will verify

2806
02:00:04,490 --> 02:00:02,280
employment at all now's a good time for

2807
02:00:06,589 --> 02:00:04,500
me to remind you that truth Seekers is a

2808
02:00:11,450 --> 02:00:06,599
viewer supported show

2809
02:00:24,250 --> 02:00:11,460
um so let's have Ian hear Mr Ian uh tell

2810
02:00:30,050 --> 02:00:27,050
truth Seekers is a viewer supported show

2811
02:00:32,450 --> 02:00:30,060
wonderful people like you who enjoy this

2812
02:00:35,930 --> 02:00:32,460
show send pledges in the form of Super

2813
02:00:39,050 --> 02:00:35,940
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2814
02:00:41,450 --> 02:00:39,060
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2815
02:00:44,450 --> 02:00:41,460
are in the description

2816
02:00:46,609 --> 02:00:44,460
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02:00:49,910 --> 02:00:46,619
little as one dollar a month you can get

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02:00:52,669 --> 02:00:49,920
extra content patreon supporters get a

2819
02:00:54,290 --> 02:00:52,679
backstage pass Early Access to all my

2820
02:00:56,750 --> 02:00:54,300
Production videos before they are

2821
02:00:59,570 --> 02:00:56,760
distributed publicly Stephen campion's

2822
02:01:02,870 --> 02:00:59,580
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2823
02:01:04,850 --> 02:01:02,880
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2824
02:01:07,550 --> 02:01:04,860
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02:01:10,370 --> 02:01:07,560
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2828
02:01:19,189 --> 02:01:16,139
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2829
02:01:22,310 --> 02:01:19,199
monthly Members Only video we thank you

2830
02:01:25,669 --> 02:01:22,320
all kind and generous benefactors for

2831
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:25,679
supporting truth Seekers thank you for

2832
02:01:39,930 --> 02:01:50,290
[Music]

2833
02:01:50,300 --> 02:01:55,250
thank you

2834
02:02:01,910 --> 02:01:58,149
and we're back friends but not for long

2835
02:02:03,709 --> 02:02:01,920
so uh I want to remind you that on

2836
02:02:05,870 --> 02:02:03,719
Saturday we're going to have a very

2837
02:02:09,169 --> 02:02:05,880
special event at the apocalypse cabin

2838
02:02:11,330 --> 02:02:09,179
we've got Anthony from unidentified S4

2839
02:02:14,270 --> 02:02:11,340
and Ron from cosmic neighbors both

2840
02:02:19,070 --> 02:02:14,280
YouTube content creators are going to be

2841
02:02:20,750 --> 02:02:19,080
uh guests at my cabin we've told you I'm

2842
02:02:22,970 --> 02:02:20,760
sure it's like a broken record now but

2843
02:02:25,970 --> 02:02:22,980
my cabin is at the highest elevation in

2844
02:02:27,950 --> 02:02:25,980
Pennsylvania and also there's almost no

2845
02:02:29,510 --> 02:02:27,960
light pollution there so you can see

2846
02:02:31,490 --> 02:02:29,520
things like the International Space

2847
02:02:34,010 --> 02:02:31,500
Station and Satellites with the naked

2848
02:02:35,930 --> 02:02:34,020
eye I have tried to capture some of the

2849
02:02:38,030 --> 02:02:35,940
other strange things that I see in the

2850
02:02:40,370 --> 02:02:38,040
sky there up in the mountains myself but

2851
02:02:42,350 --> 02:02:40,380
I have apparently have terrible cameras

2852
02:02:44,810 --> 02:02:42,360
all you see is a blob of light in the

2853
02:02:46,669 --> 02:02:44,820
sky not very definitive we're useful

2854
02:02:49,310 --> 02:02:46,679
these guys are coming there with a full

2855
02:02:52,250 --> 02:02:49,320
complement of crazy gear including flear

2856
02:02:55,729 --> 02:02:52,260
cameras and night vision and all kinds

2857
02:02:59,350 --> 02:02:55,739
of equipment and satellite tracking and

2858
02:03:02,450 --> 02:02:59,360
we're gonna do a sky watch with a

2859
02:03:04,370 --> 02:03:02,460
bonfire because these guys waited too

2860
02:03:06,890 --> 02:03:04,380
long it's going to be 20 degrees on

2861
02:03:08,990 --> 02:03:06,900
Saturday but that's fine uh we'll have a

2862
02:03:11,030 --> 02:03:09,000
big bonfire and you're welcome to join

2863
02:03:12,649 --> 02:03:11,040
now I'm not sure the technical side how

2864
02:03:15,169 --> 02:03:12,659
we're going to do this but I do believe

2865
02:03:18,229 --> 02:03:15,179
that all three of us will be streaming

2866
02:03:20,510 --> 02:03:18,239
from our own laptops or computers or

2867
02:03:24,950 --> 02:03:20,520
whatever or maybe phones even I don't

2868
02:03:27,530 --> 02:03:24,960
know all at the same time uh together

2869
02:03:29,990 --> 02:03:27,540
or we'll figure it out I'm I'm sure that

2870
02:03:33,649 --> 02:03:30,000
the festivities will start by 9 pm

2871
02:03:36,169 --> 02:03:33,659
eastern time this Saturday night the

2872
02:03:38,390 --> 02:03:36,179
19th and you're welcome to attend it

2873
02:03:40,729 --> 02:03:38,400
will be broadcasting here on true

2874
02:03:42,830 --> 02:03:40,739
Seekers Anthony from unidentified S4

2875
02:03:45,050 --> 02:03:42,840
will be broadcasting on his channel and

2876
02:03:47,450 --> 02:03:45,060
Ron from cosmic neighbors will be

2877
02:03:49,790 --> 02:03:47,460
broadcasting on his channel again I'm

2878
02:03:51,169 --> 02:03:49,800
not sure of the whole technical side

2879
02:03:52,850 --> 02:03:51,179
I don't know how we're going to share

2880
02:03:55,669 --> 02:03:52,860
all these cameras but we're going to

2881
02:03:58,550 --> 02:03:55,679
figure it out Ron is very technical guy

2882
02:04:00,589 --> 02:03:58,560
and so am I uh you know so we'll figure

2883
02:04:02,750 --> 02:04:00,599
it out uh and I welcome you to join us

2884
02:04:04,430 --> 02:04:02,760
now tomorrow night I'm probably not

2885
02:04:07,490 --> 02:04:04,440
going to do a show I have to clean up

2886
02:04:09,589 --> 02:04:07,500
the cabin and get ready for guests uh

2887
02:04:11,450 --> 02:04:09,599
and that's probably something that I

2888
02:04:14,629 --> 02:04:11,460
should focus on but we'll be back

2889
02:04:16,669 --> 02:04:14,639
Saturday night probably 9 p.m Eastern

2890
02:04:18,950 --> 02:04:16,679
Standard Time and I'll post a short

2891
02:04:22,310 --> 02:04:18,960
video with an update when we know more

2892
02:04:24,169 --> 02:04:22,320
about this special event uh you are most

2893
02:04:26,030 --> 02:04:24,179
welcome I want to thank the chat room

2894
02:04:28,070 --> 02:04:26,040
moderators I want to thank all you kind

2895
02:04:30,410 --> 02:04:28,080
of generous benefactors I want to thank

2896
02:04:31,910 --> 02:04:30,420
our special guest tonight Steve long and

2897
02:04:33,770 --> 02:04:31,920
I want to thank all of you chat

2898
02:04:36,229 --> 02:04:33,780
participants if you're listening at

2899
02:04:37,790 --> 02:04:36,239
audio podcast land please remember that

2900
02:04:39,530 --> 02:04:37,800
you're listening to a replay and while

2901
02:04:41,510 --> 02:04:39,540
we love and appreciate you we would much

2902
02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:41,520
prefer you come here and be a part of

2903
02:04:46,310 --> 02:04:44,400
the live taping experience here on

2904
02:04:48,709 --> 02:04:46,320
YouTube so go on over to YouTube put

2905
02:04:50,930 --> 02:04:48,719
true seekers in the search bar one word

2906
02:04:52,490 --> 02:04:50,940
you'll see a strange guy with sunglasses

2907
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:52,500
that would be me go to that Channel

2908
02:04:56,089 --> 02:04:54,239
smash the Subscribe button hit the

2909
02:04:58,370 --> 02:04:56,099
notification Bell and then you'll know

2910
02:05:01,010 --> 02:04:58,380
when we're doing a live taping you can

2911
02:05:03,890 --> 02:05:01,020
ask the guests questions we have

2912
02:05:06,229 --> 02:05:03,900
interactive live chat here you are most

2913
02:05:08,510 --> 02:05:06,239
welcome so that's all we got for you

2914
02:05:10,550 --> 02:05:08,520
tonight friends until next time my name

2915
02:05:14,630 --> 02:05:10,560
is Stephen Camby and good night and God

2916
02:06:34,960 --> 02:05:35,020
[Music]

2917
02:06:49,330 --> 02:06:34,970
[Applause]

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02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:49,340
[Music]

2919
02:07:09,800 --> 02:06:52,650
thank you foreign

2920
02:07:48,050 --> 02:07:36,540
[Music]

2921
02:07:48,060 --> 02:07:52,800
foreign

2922
02:07:52,810 --> 02:08:26,930
[Music]

2923
02:09:15,650 --> 02:08:34,089
I'm gonna tell guys

2924
02:10:05,169 --> 02:09:25,260
[Music]

2925
02:10:19,729 --> 02:10:07,360
thank you

2926
02:10:55,750 --> 02:10:20,950
consciousness

2927
02:10:55,760 --> 02:11:10,669
[Music]

2928
02:11:22,510 --> 02:11:12,530
despite called your mother a hook or a

2929
02:11:28,490 --> 02:11:25,270
this is Trixie loose reporting

2930
02:11:29,330 --> 02:11:28,500
exclusively for the truth Seekers UFO

2931
02:11:32,750 --> 02:11:29,340
desk

2932
02:11:36,109 --> 02:11:32,760
one of our eagle-eyed communities

2933
02:11:40,149 --> 02:11:36,119
just called in to report a battle

2934
02:11:44,030 --> 02:11:40,159
between the space Zulus and the Angela

2935
02:11:46,870 --> 02:11:44,040
so I got out of my task

2936
02:11:50,330 --> 02:11:46,880
to investigate this flag

2937
02:11:53,450 --> 02:11:50,340
unfortunately it just turned out to be a